[Fis] "Mechanical Information" in DNA

Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chandler at me.com
Fri Jun 10 21:59:17 CEST 2016


John:

Is this just another example of the mis-communication between scientists trained in different disciplines?

Is it merely an artifact of the mis-use of terms?

In this case, can the mis-communication can be traced back to the mis-understanding of the difference between the semiosis of mass (Newton’s laws) and the semiosis of electricity (Coulomb’s Law)? 

So, John, I would ask for your interpretation:

What is the first layer, mass or electricity?
What form of type theory motivates you to select one type over the other type as either firstness or secondness?
Is the essential nature of the information in the putative first layer of the same essential character as the nature of the information in the putative second layer? 

Furthermore, is or is not the second layer quantum mechanical?
Or, is the first layer constrained by quantum chemistry and a second layer merely an existential QM-illiterate consequence of the electro-dynamics of atomism?

Cheers

Jerry

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Hector Zenil <hzenilc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2016-06-08 16:40 GMT-03:00 John Collier <Collierj at ukzn.ac.za <mailto:Collierj at ukzn.ac.za>>:
>>> 
>>> A previously hypothesized “second layer” of information in DNA may have
>>> been isolated.
> 
> This is not exactly new, possibly the reason this paper didn't make it
> to Nature or Science. See
> http://tinyurl.com/3Dgenomics <http://tinyurl.com/3Dgenomics>
> http://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/abstract/S0168-9525(15)00063-3 <http://www.cell.com/trends/genetics/abstract/S0168-9525(15)00063-3>
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Moisés André Nisenbaum
> <moises.nisenbaum at ifrj.edu.br <mailto:moises.nisenbaum at ifrj.edu.br>> wrote:
>> Also, you usually think "DNA" associated with Biological Sciences, but this
>> research is made at Leiden Institute of Physics! Of course, to work current
>> (complex, innovative) science you must have an interdisciplinary approach.
> 
> Francis Crick was a physicist at the Physics Cavendish Laboratory in
> Cambridge with Watson, Frederick Sanger was a biochemist, etc.
> 
> Best,
> 
> - Hector Zenil
> http://www.hectorzenil.net/ <http://www.hectorzenil.net/>
> 
>>> 
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>>> http://phys.org/news/2016-06-layer-dna.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John Collier
>>> 
>>> Professor Emeritus and Senior Research Associate
>>> 
>>> University of KwaZulu-Natal
>>> 
>>> http://web.ncf.ca/collier
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