[Fis] Essential Core?

[Michel Godron]

in red

Cordialement. M. Godron
Le 08/07/2016 à 21:24, Alex Hankey a écrit :
> Shannon was dealing with the problem of mutually compatible encodings 
> such as comes up in the theory of cyphers etc, and arises in the 
> control of machines a la Wiener. He adopted the term 'Information 
> Theory' at the suggestion of Jon Von Neumann, and everyone accepted 
> the appellation.
>
> What an encoding means, and how you interpret it, is, from this 
> perspective, a largely secondary question. What decision(s) do you make?
>
> Wellington referred to the key message that enabled him to win one of 
> his battles in the Peninsular War (Salamanca if i remember rightly) as 
> 'an intelligence'.
>
> I would suggest (albeit as an outsider) that these terms should be 
> allowed to stick. The quantified mathematical physical vehicle is 
> 'information',
I quite agree

> while the interpreted message on the basis of which decisions are 
> taken - 'Fight' (as in Wellington (then Sir John Wellesley)'s case), 
> or 'Flight' (as in the case of the French Marshal opposing him) is 
> 'intelligence'.
>
> Then 'intelligence' equals 'information' PLUS the semiotic / semantic 
> component.
I quite agree, and the most useful french name for the semiotic 
component is "sens"
>
> BUT the quantified 'information' concept tells you precisely the 
> number of _independent_ decisions a given amount of _information_ can 
> give rise to.
>
> In light of these thoughts, please can anyone tell me the following. 
> The above discussion has slithered into a discussion that implicitly 
> includes 'purpose' - teleology is implied in this transition from 
> information to intelligence.
This point is very important : it is in our mind that the semiotic 
component may have a finality, and "sens" which is linked with 
orientation-direction gives à place to finality..

Yet teleology is always said to be inconceivable from the perspective of 
causality in physics. And even in quantum theory, no one has resolved 
this issue as far as I know.
The difference between teleology and teleonomy have then to be 
discussed, if you like.

On the other hand, the discussions of semiotics, particularly 
'Cyber-semiotics', aired in this group earlier by Soren Brier, are 
redolent with teleological implications. So WHAT IS GOING ON?

Do these thought lead anyone to any constructive comments?

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