[Fis] Chuan's reply8 - THE FRONTIERS OF INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- an old poem as an echo
Pedro C. Marijuan
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
Fri Mar 20 11:29:56 CET 2015
Dear FISers,
Herewith my contribution to the "poetic intelligence" tangent we have
entered.
It is in Spanish, from the great poet Antonio Machado:
Caminante, son tus huellas
el camino y nada más;
Caminante, no hay camino,
se hace camino al andar.
Al andar se hace el camino,
y al volver la vista atrás
se ve la senda que nunca
se ha de volver a pisar.
Caminante no hay camino
sino estelas en la mar.
One English translation could say:
“Wanderer, your footsteps are the road, and nothing more; wanderer,
there is no road, the road is made by walking. By walking one makes the
road, and upon glancing behind one sees the path that never will be trod
again. Wanderer, there is no road-- Only wakes upon the sea."
I find it quite moving, and extremely complex on its meaning, quite
"phenomenological" and deeply neurophilosophical. But above all, impressive.
Thanks are due to Chuan, Stan, Joseph, Francesco... et al.
best---Pedro
Lee todo en: Caminante no hay camino - Poemas de Antonio Machado
<http://www.poemas-del-alma.com/antonio-machado-caminante-no-hay-camino.htm#ixzz3Uv6PQoJo>
http://www.poemas-del-alma.com/antonio-machado-caminante-no-hay-camino.htm#ixzz3Uv6PQoJo
Francesco Rizzo wrote:
> Caro Joseph e cari Tutti,
> anche se rischio di essere bloccato o frainteso perché non ho voce
> linguistica di moda, nei numerosi interventi precedenti ho
> sottolineato l'importanza della parola composta emo-ra-zionalità,
> risultato della combinazione della "intelligenza emotiva" e della
> razionalità intellettuale. Nessuna descrizione non poetica della
> realtà può essere completa. Ilya Prigogine ha proposto di adottare nel
> campo della scienza il paradigma della musica. Henri Poincarè ritiene,
> talvolta, le equazioni o le funzione un "museo teratologico" ed i
> modelli paradigmatici una scelta "convenzionale" o di comodità o di
> utilità. In "Incontro d'amore del cuore della fede e dell'intelligenza
> della scienza" (Aracne editrice, Roma, 2014) ho sostenuto la necessità
> del dialogo tra fede, ragione e scienza. Albert Einstein afferma che
> ciò che si può contare (computare) non conta e ciò che conta non si
> può contare (computare). Secondo John D. Barrow che gli "aspetti
> eventuali" del mondo non si possono riconoscere o generare con una
> sequenza di passi logici. La bellezza, la semplicità, la verità sono
> tutte, in questo senso, "proprietà eventuali". Non c'è alcuna formula
> magica o nessun programma o nessuna equazione che può generare tutta
> la bellezza o tutta la bruttezza del mondo. Le mail che ho inviato il
> 10, 15 e 18 marzo (non solo quest'ultima) in modo telegrafico
> affrontano questa problematica, purtroppo, non sono state tenute in
> considerazione. Ciò mi dispiace, ma non mi spinge a trascurare i
> contributi di tutti Voi che ringrazio per quanto m'insegnate. Grazie e
> affettuosi saluti.
> Francesco Rizzo.
>
> 2015-03-19 19:27 GMT+01:00 joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
> <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch> <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
> <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>>:
>
> Dear Chuan, Rafael and All,
>
> There is a point in this exchange which perhaps should be
> addressed explicitly: everybody knows that people differ in their
> capacity to appreciate poetry emotionally. But we also differ in
> the capacity to appreciate the importance of poetry and art for
> science; this might be said to require an
> 'intelligence' of poetry. Perhaps someone else can express better
> what I am trying to say here.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joseph
>
> P.S. Admirers of Basho's haiku are directed to his far superior
> one to which this is a Californian response:
>
> Warm cloudy day in Spring
> Perched on a fresh leafy branch
> A young tow-hee
>
> ----Message d'origine----
> De : rafael at capurro.de <mailto:rafael at capurro.de>
> Date : 19/03/2015 - 08:35 (PST)
> À : fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>
> Objet : Re: [Fis] Chuan's reply8 - THE FRONTIERS OF
> INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- an old poem as an echo
>
>
> Dear Chuan,
> thanks for sharing this poem.
> Allow me to thank you also with these texts where I try to
> reflect on Dao and Information Society
> http://www.capurro.de/china_infoethics2010.html
> This is a Chinese translation:
> http://www.capurro.de/beijing2011_chinese_version.pdf
> See also: http://www.capurro.de/DB_Akademie.html
> See also my activities and presentations in China:
> http://www.capurro.de/home-cn.html
> best regards
> Rafael Capurro
>
>> Dear Stanley N Salthe and All,
>>
>> I am back to my duty from ten days hard work.
>> Reliving from tired let me come back to the breakpoint –
>> Stanley’s poem echo to Emily – and my draft reply as a new
>> poem the same. I will finish and put out next mail – reply as
>> another poem is “The Song of the Computer” and another poem
>> on Internet. These two have send in our FIS years ago. And
>> now “here a stay, and there a star”, now “ struggling to
>> affect each other from our slowly burning bodies”, let us put
>> these stars here again as a bunch of flower first.
>>
>> Let this as my echo. We can image a Science fiction:
>> long long after, there is a country, there set such an law :
>> if you have not replied an poet’s poem at once, if delay five
>> days, you are evil. So let me use an old poem echo your poem
>> as soon as I finished my heavy work.
>>
>> Thanks for you poem. That is nice!
>>
>> More reply and the new later.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Chuan
>>
>> 2015-3-19
>>
>>
>>
>> -- ---原始邮件-----
>> *发件人:* "Stanley N Salthe" <ssalthe at binghamton.edu>
>> <mailto:ssalthe at binghamton.edu>
>> *发送时间:* 2015-03-14 03:41:00
>> *收件人:* "赵川" <zhaoc at cdut.edu.cn>
>> <mailto:zhaoc at cdut.edu.cn>
>> *抄送:*
>> *主题:* Re: [Fis] Chuan's reply7 - THE FRONTIERS OF
>> INTELLIGENCE SCIENCE-- a poem & the π-festival
>>
>> Chuan, fis'rs
>>
>> Here is a poem I wrote a couple of years ago:
>>
>> internet fellowship
>>
>> is like --
>>
>> being in heaven?
>>
>>
>> we’re
>>
>> disembodied spirits
>>
>> struggling to affect
>>
>> each other.
>>
>>
>> patterns of ‘on and off’ in the waves and wires
>>
>> like cells in an organism
>>
>>
>> we’re disembodied spirits launched from our slowly
>> burning bodies,
>>
>> the fuel for our cognitions,
>>
>> like charcoal for a flame
>>
>>
>> maybe this is (what) heaven (is like)
>>
>> launched upon the embers of hell.
>>
>>
>> STAN
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:18 AM, 赵川 <zhaoc at cdut.edu.cn
>> <mailto:zhaoc at cdut.edu.cn>> wrote:
>>
>> *Dear FISers, *
>>
>> These days I am doing a heavy and important
>> work that I can not finish my respond mail. Though
>> there are many ideas emerge in my mind.
>>
>> Let me put a poem of Emily DIKINSON in our
>> dear discussion.
>>
>> *OUR SHARE OF NIGHT TO BEAR*
>>
>>
>>
>> Emily DIKINSON
>>
>> Our share of nights to hear –
>>
>> Our share of morning –
>>
>> Our blank in bliss to fill
>>
>> Our blank in scorning –
>>
>>
>>
>> Here a star, and there a star,
>>
>> Some lose their way!
>>
>> Here a mist, and there a mist,
>>
>> Afterwards – Day!
>>
>> 1890
>>
>> c.1859
>>
>> For I thought of the image of “here is a
>> star, and there is a star” and looked for this poem
>> to share here. Let us shine and share.
>>
>> Dear Joseph, I agree with the Stanislaw
>> Lem’s opinion.
>>
>> Yes, she is right: afterwards – Day!
>>
>> Tomorrow is π-festival – March 14 - 3.14. I
>> celebrated aπ-festival this afternoon. That is
>> wonderful. And it is the birthday of Einstein the same.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Chuan
>>
>> March 13, 2015
>>
>>
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