[Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

[Francesco Rizzo]

Cari colleghi,
distinguere, separare o, peggio, contrapporre è pericoloso e contrasta con
l'armonia meravigliosa che governa ll mondo. A PRESCINDERE CHE SI CREDA O
MENO in una in una Intelligenza trascendente la natura umana (io, ad
esempio, credo in Dio che non finisce mai di stupirci e sorprenderci). In
questo contesto epistemologico ed ermeneutico il computo o calcolo non è
altro che una singolare caso o categoria di informazione. Naturalmente,
questo è quel che penso io e rassegno al Vostro giudizio.
Un abbraccio per Tutti, nella convinzione che nessuno possegga una verità
assoluta, eterna e immutabile.
Francesco Rizzo.

2015-06-12 23:18 GMT+02:00 Krassimir Markov <markov at foibg.com>:

>   Dear John and Stan,
> Your both hierarchies are good only if you believe in God.
> But this is believe, not science.
> Sorry, nothing personal!
> Friendly regards
> Krassimir
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>  *From:* John Collier <Collierj at ukzn.ac.za>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 5:02 PM
> *To:* Stanley N Salthe <ssalthe at binghamton.edu> ; fis
> <fis at listas.unizar.es>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
>
>
> Not quite the same hierarchy, but similar:
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> It from bit is just information, which is fundamental, on Seth Lloyd’s
> computational view of nature. Paul Davies and some other physicists agree
> with this.
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> Chemical information is negentropic, and hierarchical in most
> physiological systems.
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> John
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> *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Stanley
> N Salthe
> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 3:40 PM
> *To:* fis
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
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> Pedro -- Your list:
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> physical, biological, social, and Informational
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> is implicitly a hierarchy -- in fact, a subsumptive hierarchy, with the
> physical subsuming the biological and the biological subsuming the social.
> But where should information appear?  Following Wheeler, we should have:
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> {informational {physicochemical {biological {social}}}}
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> STAN
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> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <
> pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ken. I think your previous message and this one are drawing sort
> of the border-lines of the discussion. Achieving a comprehensive view on
> the interrelationship between computation and information is an essential
> matter. In my opinion, and following the Vienna discussions, whenever life
> cycles are involved and meaningfully "touched", there is info; while the
> mere info circulation according to fixed rules and not impinging on any
> life-cycle relevant aspect, may be taken as computation. The distinction
> between both may help to consider more clearly the relationship between the
> four great domains of sceince: physical, biological, social, and
> Informational. If we adopt a pan-computationalist stance, the information
> turn of societies, of bioinformation, neuroinformation, etc. merely reduces
> to applying computer technologies. I think this would be a painful error,
> repeating the big mistake of 60s-70s, when people band-wagon to developed
> the sciences of the artificial and reduced the nascent info science to
> library science. People like Alex Pentland (his "social physics" 2014) are
> again taking the wrong way... Anyhow, it was nicer talking face to face as
> we did in the past conference!
>
> best ---Pedro
>
> Ken Herold wrote:
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> FIS:
>
> Sorry to have been too disruptive in my restarting discussion post--I did
> not intend to substitute for the Information Science thread an alternative
> way of philosophy or computing.  The references I listed are indicative of
> some bad thinking as well as good ideas to reflect upon.  Our focus is
> information and I would like to hear how you might believe the formal
> relational scheme of Rosenbloom could be helpful?
>
> Ken
>
> --
> Ken Herold
> Director, Library Information Systems
> Hamilton College
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> Clinton, NY 13323
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> kherold at hamilton.edu <mailto:kherold at hamilton.edu>
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