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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree, Eric. I admire the ease with which Chiara and Vlatko move between these fields, and the scientific open-mindedness with which they question familiar
assumptions.</span><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Your suggestion of bringing an agent-based account of information and communication to quantum physics and gravity also resonates with ICON, the framework
I develop in <i>Evolving Intelligence</i>. It starts from the relation between information, computation and observer-agency across different levels of organization. I would be very interested to see where these approaches
</span><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">lead,
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">and
</span><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">how</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> they differ.</span><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Good news</span><span lang="HR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Vlatko and Chiara have agreed to join us for a future IAIS dialogue focused on information and life, where we can explore some of these questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<br>
Gordana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Fis <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of OARF <eric.werner@oarf.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 23 September 2026 at 18:38<br>
<b>To: </b>"Pedro C. Marijuán" <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"chiara.marletto@physics.ox.ac.uk" <chiara.marletto@physics.ox.ac.uk>, fis <fis@listas.unizar.es><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] IAIS Dialogue, 23 / 09 : INFORMATION PHYSICS ---NEW LINK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I watched the debate and chatted with interest. I played their game before with my various colleagues combining different disciplines to come up with novel solutions. So I love their methodology. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, Their use Shannon reminded me of a review of such ideas I did years ago in the journal Science, Meaning in a Quantum Universe: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.academia.edu/1367157/Meaning_in_a_Quantum_Universe__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TECLkxNoOeVq2cSAG4gX8rf-3yNTQGpTGHI4IsWgINxH7tfpWoAwhM6Ciyn5Xk-xbb6QrIteYwEON33O_tshvxM$">https://www.academia.edu/1367157/Meaning_in_a_Quantum_Universe</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There I questioned the applicability of Shannon to areas like agent communication and developmental biology. But the critique extends further. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now they are doing a sleight of hand and applying a distorted version of Shannon. But without significant divergence, I have my doubts . <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yet, the reductive techniques they present do diverge significantly . As I said in the chat more generally we might be able to apply agent theory of information and communication to QM and gravity. This would give true meaning to a quantum
universe. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Still all in all, I like their juggling act.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 22, 2026, at 6:14<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear FIS Colleagues, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You are invited to the new Dialogue at the International Academy of Information Studies, which has been organized in conjunction with <br>
<span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">the conference of the London Mathematical Society <i>Gravity, Entanglement and Entropy</i>, with in-person participation in London and online attendance.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">the webpage of the whole conference is: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/sites.google.com/view/gravityentanglemententropy__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U9YyDwYbR47veOwYbE6U-TsPb41ykr7dJ4WH9xeQ-qhimCzSV6h78fjVmxluNCA7zoLULAMsdHynLWdX7oXt8bbyWbT4$">
https://sites.google.com/view/gravityentanglemententropy</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<h2><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Theme:</span> ON INFORMATION PHYSICS: UNITING QUANTUM PHYSICS AND GRAVITY<o:p></o:p></h2>
<h3><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">Speakers:</span><o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Vlatko Vedral</span></b><br>
<i>Professor of Quantum Information Science, </i><br>
<i>Department of Physics at the University of Oxford. </i><br>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Chiara Marletto</span></b><br>
<em><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Research Fellow at the Physics Department,</span></em><br>
<em><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Wolfson College, University of Oxford</span></em><br>
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The session will take place on <b><i>Wednesday, September 23rd</i>,</b> <b>at</b><b><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">
<b>14:00 (BST) | 15:00 (CET) | 9:00 AM (EST) | 22:00 PM (Beijing)</b></span><b> </b><br>
<b><span style="color:red">In the special new ZOOM link: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/us02web.zoom.us/j/84658157881__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U9YyDwYbR47veOwYbE6U-TsPb41ykr7dJ4WH9xeQ-qhimCzSV6h78fjVmxluNCA7zoLULAMsdHynLWdX7oXt8TzU41Q-$">
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84658157881</a></span><br>
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The Dialogue format: each of the speakers will have 20 min. presentation, followed by 30 min. Q&A from the audience.
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It will be moderated by IAIS Board member <b>Gordana Dodig Crnkovic</b>.<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><br>
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<b>The session will be recorded </b>and posted on the YouTube channel of the IAIS Dialogues:
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.youtube.com/@IAISDIALOGUES__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U9YyDwYbR47veOwYbE6U-TsPb41ykr7dJ4WH9xeQ-qhimCzSV6h78fjVmxluNCA7zoLULAMsdHynLWdX7oXt8ZfeLAn6$">
https://www.youtube.com/@IAISDIALOGUES</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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