<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp8d2e89a6yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Krassimir,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">good points. far better related to the world we live in than shannon's equation and the metaphor of a telephone wire to explain human communication.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">the second rule of science, as i learned it at the age of ten, is look at things right under your nose as if you've never seen them before, then proceed from there. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">do not limit yourself to what Lord Kelvin did in 1852 when creating the concept that would later be called entropy. do not say that a phenomenon existing in a steam engine and in the lab is the underlying pattern of the universe. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">do not do what Ludwig Boltzmann did in 1877. don't use math to validate a notion that is false. don't use math to turn a profoundly limited fact into a new dogma: entropy and the second law.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">do what Charles Darwin did. look at as much you can of the real world. immerse yourself in it. and build your explanation from the complexities you see. don't imprison yourself in the small room your university allocates to you. don't imprison yourself in a "lab." start with the earth, the cosmos, and the social setting around you. adventure to see things you've never imagined. then draw your generalizations from there.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br><blockquote style="padding-left:10px;border-left:2px solid #0f69ff;margin-left:20px"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp8d2e89a6yiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I completely agree with your thoughts.
Indeed, the study of the
processes of interaction between people is very important
and has great
significance. Unfortunately, my impression is that most
researchers adhere to
the deeply erroneous and inapplicable to humans Shannon's
paradigm.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp8d2e89a6yiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Yes, the theory of signal transmission
is wonderfully applied in
technical data transmission systems, where the basic
principle is
"copy/paste". In other words, the image that is formed in
the
recipient's memory completely (100%!!!) coincides with the
image in the
sender's memory. Any deviation is considered an error and
requires re-sending
the data, as well as the application of error-resistant
codes during
transmission.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp8d2e89a6yiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">In humans, this is absolutely impossible
and inapplicable.
"Copy/paste" cannot happen due to the nature of the
interaction
between people, which is at the level of meaning, and not at
the level of
signals (reflections). The sender (a person or group of
people) externalizes
their mental structures (for example, this letter), and the
recipient reflects
what they have received and gives it their own meaning. It
is impossible in
this process to obtain an exact copy of the image from the
source's memory in
the receiver's memory. Therefore, it is correct to speak of
"information
interaction" in people, and of "communication" in technical
systems. I am
attaching a slide from my lecture at the IS4SI 2025 Summit,
which contains the
brilliant thought of the Bulgarian poet Pencho Slaveykov,
expressed more than a
century ago.</span></p></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div></div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Dear Steve,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I respect your opinion and understanding
of the world through AE, but
still there are some reasonable scientific boundaries that
should not be
crossed. Here is a small example. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Air existed before we were born and, I
hope, if there is no destructive
war instigated by russia, it will continue to exist after
our death. At the
same time, without air we cannot live, i.e. we are an open
system that
constantly exchanges resources with the environment. In
other words, living
organisms are not autopoietic systems. To convince yourself
of this statement,
just stop breathing. The conviction in the truth of the
statement will come to
you only after a minute or two and you will probably accept
that your operator
should be written</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">O=F(O, Input, Output).</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I am writing this in connection with
your statement that "Material
processes and interpretive activity are not alternatives;
they are two sides of
the same ecological dynamic. Neither can be shown to precede
the other.” which
I cannot accept as true.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Just as there are no closed autopoietic
systems, so there is no reality
that cannot exist without interpretation.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">The ecological dynamic you are
talking about is a mental structure and, of course, in it
properly the mental
structures that reflect the material processes and the
mental structures that
interpret them are dialectically connected in consciousness,
and yes - they are
two sides of a common mental structure, if we can even talk
about sides in
mental structures.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Dear Eric,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I completely agree with your thoughts.
Indeed, the study of the
processes of interaction between people is very important
and has great
significance. Unfortunately, my impression is that most
researchers adhere to
the deeply erroneous and inapplicable to humans Shannon's
paradigm.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Yes, the theory of signal transmission
is wonderfully applied in
technical data transmission systems, where the basic
principle is
"copy/paste". In other words, the image that is formed in
the
recipient's memory completely (100%!!!) coincides with the
image in the
sender's memory. Any deviation is considered an error and
requires re-sending
the data, as well as the application of error-resistant
codes during
transmission.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">In humans, this is absolutely impossible
and inapplicable.
"Copy/paste" cannot happen due to the nature of the
interaction
between people, which is at the level of meaning, and not at
the level of
signals (reflections). The sender (a person or group of
people) externalizes
their mental structures (for example, this letter), and the
recipient reflects
what they have received and gives it their own meaning. It
is impossible in
this process to obtain an exact copy of the image from the
source's memory in
the receiver's memory. Therefore, it is correct to speak of
"information
interaction" in people, and of "communication" in technical
systems. I am
attaching a slide from my lecture at the IS4SI 2025 Summit,
which contains the
brilliant thought of the Bulgarian poet Pencho Slaveykov,
expressed more than a
century ago.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">With respect,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydp770e693eyiv2268495430MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Krassimir</span></p>
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