<div dir="auto"><div>Dear Jason</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think, from a second-order cybernetic perspective, there are certainly questions to be raised about the historicism of the scientific/evolutionary narrative. This should invite us to ask deeper questions about both the narrative and about the principles of "constructivism". </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While the narrative of the big bang is clearly vulnerable (although the red shift empirical evidence does point in this kind of direction - but what does it mean?) can we safely dispute any kind of "birth ordering"? Even if we were to dispense with temporal succession (the distinction between 'now' and 'then'), we would still have order in terms of the relationship between complex forms and simple forms, from which order our construction of temporality and narrative emerges. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Then if we inquire into constructivism and perception itself, Von foerster's eigenforms or Spencer-Brown's self-reference (to take worked-through examples) are all very well and interesting, but cannot account for curiosity and the fact each of us (particularly scientists) are driven by desire so often to popping our own bubbles.John Torday is very fond of this line in Eliot's "The love song of J. Alfred Prufrock" - </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"I should have been a pair of ragged claws</div><div dir="auto">Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.". </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's all there. Why curiousity? I asked Von Glasersfeld this question once. He didn't have an answer, which surprised me. It's a question for jazz musicians...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These issues are related. Here we are as creatures of the cosmos, comprising components whose birth order goes way back, unfolding our internal structures in a world that we cannot know. selecting narratives and communications, which we continually poke and disrupt. What's it all about?! AI won't tell us...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't think there is a "subject" or "theory" that can be constructed to address this. But I do think we can acknowledge the problem and organise ourselves better.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best wishes</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mark</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Dr. Mark William Johnson<br><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Faculty of Biology, Medicine and Health</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">University of Manchester</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Department of Science Education</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">University of Copenhagen</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Department of Eye and Vision Science (honorary)</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">University of Liverpool</div>Phone: 07786 064505<br>Email: <a href="mailto:johnsonmwj1@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnsonmwj1@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XrE4Zbrox78DuOv6xS3vjwr2xTp1YHkULu0eW1N9ULlrVq2iF-5luVEtOhPpizqtUt9zYaaXS306wN6LWHeCOGw$" target="_blank">http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com</a></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 6 Dec 2025, 02:43 Jason Hu, <<a href="mailto:jasonthegoodman@gmail.com">jasonthegoodman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear omnipotent FIS colleagues, I have a question to learn from you:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">If the Big Bang Theory is correct (or if it has to be correct since we do have an alternative),</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">1- When did gravity emerge? (and how)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">2- When did water emerge? (in the cosmos, and in our solar system, and on our earth)?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">3- We roughly know when in our planet's life emerges, but when did consciousness emerge?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">4- Did "information" emerge before or after consciousness? (I assume after, correct me IIAW.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I would like to see if any of our FIS colleagues here has answers before consulting GGC (Grok/Gemini/ChatGPT).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Many thanks! - Jason </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 4, 2025 at 11:51 AM Pedro C. Marijuán <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<div>Dear FIS Colleagues,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Except some over-generalizations, I
basically agree with John's. Gravity is not just a force out
there, it is the fundamental fabric of the cosmos we live in. In
our planet, all realms of life feel it and "live" it. Bacteria,
zooplankton, phytoplankton, invertebrates, vertebrates, plants...
It is another "water" of life-- remember <span>"Water is life's matter and matrix, mother
and medium. There is no life without water"</span> <span>by Albert Szent-Gyorgyi</span>,
the Nobel Prize-winning biochemist. So, gravity is not only within
the adaptive physiology of vertebrates so well described by John,
it is in an infinity of details in every realm of nature.
Emphasizing the impact of this crucial field on life is really
needed given its general neglect. Incidentally, the ongoing
discussion on 31/ATLAS by our former FIS colleague Sungchul Ji
about the radiation of this amazing interstellar object (a
hydrogen basic frequency emitted in Fibonacci sequences), is a
good reminder of the all-permeating cosmic fabric of gravity. See:
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://sayerji.substack.com/p/when-the-cosmos-speaks-in-fibonacci__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UN5Qkr4MMHvVFgjxrE8GKOUT__SCPVApKzSiss-NOjGyuklM4kUiq2rVFM3p-XKxI27KcpMhBaLbJuUWfT2Ftv37jbkQ$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://sayerji.substack.com/p/when-the-cosmos-speaks-in-fibonacci</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>About more mundane matters, what Eric
writes on the CONTROLNOME, rather imaginative but a little bit
outreached (perhaps one could share it partially), would send all
the people working on paleogenomics and related disciplines to
retirement. It is a pity because the ongoing results are throwing
fascinating new aspects on our own evolution (self-domestication,
sexual intercourse, language, etc.) Again I invite fis parties to
that BioSystems issue ready to appear. Taking that view in its
face value, an armchair experiment: if we take a vertebrate genome
and substitute ALL of its genes, each by one, by genes of a
completely different species--eg, human ovum changed to mouse
genes and stimulate its development -- what would happen? There
are too many details to consider, but nothing viable as an
outcome, even the first division, I bet.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think we are not trying to "reduce"
living complexity to this or to that, as Eric says, but
emphasizing aspects not well covered in mainstream science,
particularly on information matters. I was tempted to insist in
the centrality of the life cycle regarding the information flow,
but it would be too much.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>--Pedro</div>
<div><br>
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<div>El 03/12/2025 a las 14:54, JOHN TORDAY
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<div>Dear Eric and 'All', it appears to be a 'fool's task'
to debate the merits of the role of the force of gravity
in the evolution of vertebrates, given that I have not
only provided empiric evidence for it, as have others, but
have described the process in an earlier email.....John</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 3:38 AM
Dr. Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:evwerner@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">evwerner@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Pedro, John and FIS Collegues,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Fascinating points you make, Pedro. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The paper by <span style="color:rgb(20,20,19);font-family:"DM Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Zhizhou
Zhang </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.20935/AcadMolBioGen8001__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UusxFDTBk3ZUgkvJ1A6efTRkbVH1ghY7Hqm_3tckntBOt0NwXJpwRR3yOZ0vQsEj9vRbkhxP9L0TnovknBDPEK5Ao7cg$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.20935/AcadMolBioGen8001</a> is
provocative indeed. The gene centric focus of the paper
is foundational for its provocative hypothesis that we
humans are mentally closer to fish than chimps. While it
may be genetically valid, it ignores the other 95% of the
genome that is not genetic, and instead noncoding the so
called dark matter of the genome. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The noncoding genome is what I have argued contains the
CONTROLNOME of the genome that actually controls and
development of the morphology, the form and functional
architecture of the multicellular species in question.
The complexity of form of the organism cannot be in the
genes because the genes are shared by organisms that have
overt highly complex different forms. (And gravity cannot
account for the difference, John, because it is obviously
shared by all life forms on our dear planet.) </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The difference between the gene-coding genome and the
controlnome, has parallels between the difference between
semantics and pragmatics, between sentences that are true
or false and those that are neither, like questions and
commands. This parallel relationship between genome
semantics and pragmatics and human language as well as
other animal communications system semantics and
pragmatics is no artificial construct but results from
fundamental principles of how information works in living
systems. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The attempts to reduce the complexity of multicellular
development to point mutations in shared genes, or to
gravity, or to cell signaling or other physiological
feedback mechanisms all fail the Complexity Conservation
Principle (see my Ants paper and How central is the genome
paper). And then there is meta-sex complexity of
meta-genome interactions (see my gynandromorphs paper).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Eric</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Dec 2, 2025, at 8:19 PM,
Pedro C. Marijuán <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear John and FIS Colleagues,</p>
<p>Thanks for the well crafted, dense bio paragraphs.
Although I agree with most of the comments --not
with all-- the main problem I see that it is a
really too condensed a summary. It reminds me the
great little book by French biologist Max Pavans de
Ceccatty "La vie: de la cellule à l'homme" (1962),
put in just half page. Given the brevity needed, I
will just point to three extra themes that for my
taste are relevant: signaling and the life cycle,
role of the "virome" in eukaryotic complexity and
multicellular life, and the tangled threads of
Anthropogenesis. </p>
<p>The former one, signaling and the life cycle,
represents "the path not taken" about the deep
meaning of cellular signaling. From the beginning it
was conceived within the input-processing-output
paradigm of techno-computer and artificial systems.
It did not help the concept of signaling as
"structural coupling" with the milieu, from the
thought of Maturana and Varela. In any event, the
information flow (signaling) necessary
interrelationship with the energy flow (metabolism)
has not been properly integrated with the great sink
and source for both flows: the life cycle. Perhaps
making the cycle "modular", and susceptible to be
maintained conveniently "frozen" along its different
phases, represented the basis of cell
differentiation & specialized tissues via
signaling codes... Further, any complex form of life
has had to maintain the same openness to the info
flows of its niche in order to propel the
advancement of its own life cycle. And let me stop
here.</p>
<p>About the virome, following Villareal, Witzany, and
many others, the motto "Ex virus omnia" means that a
new, forgotten realm of life has to be added to
Margulis’ endosymbiotic theory (Margulis, 1981,
1970), so incorporating viruses’ essential
evolutionary role within the present discussions
around the renewal or replacement of evolutionary
theory (Noble, 2016). In fact, one the most
important genome modifications of eukaryotes has
come from the systematic activity of components of
viral provenance: mobile elements, transposons,
retrotransposons, repetitive elements and so on.
Seemingly (Shapiro) our species has counted with
around 4 million mobile insertion events. As a
result, ancestral viral proteins can be found in
signaling pathways of all kind, and all across the
mammalian and human proteomes. </p>
<p>And finally about Anthropogenesis, let me copy from
a recent study: "By employing 471 whole-genome
sequence samples, including archaic humans
(Neanderthals, Denisovans and more), modern humans,
other vertebrates (fish, amphibians, reptiles,
birds, rodents, mammals) plus four coelacanth and
three lungfish samples, together with 18 human
cognition-related genes and their total of 223 SNVs
(Single-Nucleotide Variations),comparative analyses
revealed that the CGPPs (cognition gene polymorphism
patterns) of both coelacanths and lungfish are
evolutionarily closer to those of archaic humans
than those of most other animal groups. The CGPP
appears to occupy an evolutionary inflection point,
bridging diverse animal lineages to archaic
hominoids. Our observational results suggest a
hypothesis (to be validated in the future) that <b>the
genetic architecture underlying human cognition
seems to have been established during the
evolutionary stage of fish, predating the
emergence of tetrapods</b>..." Amazing!! (From
Zhizhou Zhang et al., 2025, <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.20935/AcadMolBioGen8001__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UusxFDTBk3ZUgkvJ1A6efTRkbVH1ghY7Hqm_3tckntBOt0NwXJpwRR3yOZ0vQsEj9vRbkhxP9L0TnovknBDPEK5Ao7cg$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://doi.org/10.20935/AcadMolBioGen8001</a>).
By the way, there is a special issue on
Anthropogenesis to appear soon in BioSystems, where
brain evolution, sexual selection, social niche,
emergence of language, cognition, etc. are updated
and discussed (editors Marijuan, Igamberdiev,
Iurato, 2025)--great job by Andrei. We will send
soon the link.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>--Pedro</p>
<p><span> </span></p>
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<div>El 23/11/2025 a las 18:20, JOHN TORDAY
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<div><font size="4">Dear Eric, I am
afraid you have misunderstood my
allusion to the role gravity plays
in evolution, in my opinion, based
totally on experimental evidence. It
becomes most apparent and relevant
in the vertebrate transition from
water to land, when fish adapted to
land (a known fact). During that
transition there were three hormone
receptors that duplicated- the
Parathyroid Hormone Receptor
(PTHrP), the Glucocorticoid Receptor
(GR) and the beta-adrenergic
receptor (beta-AR). Which came first
is the question I have pondered for
many years, only recently coming to
the realization that it must have
been the PTHrP receptor that
duplicated first, given that it
determines bone 'stiffness', and the
skeleton would have been under
stress due to the effective force of
gravity on land versus in water.
Those members of the species that
were able to 'up-regulate' their
PTHrP receptor most readily for bone
would have done so successively in
the swim bladder to drive its
evolution in becoming the lung, as
evidenced by the fact that in the
absence of PTHrP the lung does not
alveolarize (Rubin et al, 2004),
followed by the role of PTHrP in
forming kidney glomeruli from the
fish kidney glomus, and the
augmentation of the stress signal
from pituitary to adrenal cortex to
produce adrenaline and cortisol. We
know that there must have been such
a scenario since fish attempted to
breech land on at least 5 separate
occasions (see Clack, J.A., Gaining
Ground, 2012). The relevance of
these physiologic adaptations can be
seen in astronauts who experience
osteoporosis due to PTHrP deficiency
(see Torday, 2003 for evidence of
such) as well as kidney
complications due to down-regulation
of PTHrP control of salt and water
balance. So in the aggregate, in
reply to your comment that "gravity
would not directly control the
growth of a bilateral gynandromorph
that is half female and half male
down the middle", I would beg to
differ based on</font><span style="font-size:large"> the
hormonal adaptations for land life,
which are fundamental to land
vertebrate physiologic adaptations
for skeletal integrity, breathing,
salt and water balance, if you get
my point. And all of these
physiologic traits are essential for
the bipedalism that freed our
forelimbs for tool-making, including
speaking, and locomotion, all of
which are under the control of the
FoxP2 gene and are 'housed' within
the Area of Broca (</span><font size="4">see <span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Torday
JS. A central theory of biology.
Med Hypotheses. 2015
Jul;85(1):49-57)</span></font><span style="font-size:large">. It is this
transition from crawling on all
fours to standing on two legs due to
the advent of endothermy that marks
the evolution of our over-seized
central nervous system....and as a
consequence, at some point in human
evolution our heads became too large
to fit in the birth canal so we are
born prematurely, with only 25% of
brain capacity, requiring decades of
nurturing by family and society in
order to effectively mature as a
species, if ever (I note my current
President). </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:large"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:large">As
for your glib comment abou</span><font size="4">t "The issue is more
understanding the information that
makes a difference (Oh dear I have
slipped into Spencer Brown"......In
this regard, I think you
misunderstand Spencer-Brown too in
that what he was telling us is that
we are fractals of a 'holism' as the
unmarked space.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">And as for your
flippant comment about "gravity does
not make the difference between a
whale and a dog" I again beg your
pardon, but gravity is exactly what
makes the difference between a whale
and a dog, referring again to
gravity's effects on the physiologic
traits of each on land (dog) and in
water (whale) given that seals are
thought to have evolved back to
water from dogs......</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">But you may take
exception to what I am saying, so
have at it. I am of the opinion that
the way I have traced evolution from
cell to our 'selves' accounts for
the evolution of consciousness from
the former to the latter as I have
expressed in numerous peer-reviewed
articles, and 14 monographs.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Best, John</font></div>
<div><span style="font-size:large"> </span></div>
<br>
</div>
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Sun, Nov 23, 2025 at 11:11 AM OARF
<<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear john,
<div>There is a difference between
necessary conditions that are just
that and offer no information that
controls the growth of detailed
structure in multicellular
organisms that differentiates one
from another and conditions like
gravity that apply to all such
developmental processes. Thus, for
example, gravity would not
directly control the growth of a
bilateral gynandromorph that is
half female and half male down the
middle. See: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5439__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UusxFDTBk3ZUgkvJ1A6efTRkbVH1ghY7Hqm_3tckntBOt0NwXJpwRR3yOZ0vQsEj9vRbkhxP9L0TnovknBDPEDwcoYq4$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5439</a> for
more details. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I agree that gravity and
oxygen certainly have their
effects on development. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The issue is more understanding
the information that makes a
difference (Oh dear I have slipped
into Spencer Brown ;-) ).</div>
<div>and gravity does not make the
difference between a whale and a
dog.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Eric</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov
23, 2025, at 3:05 PM, JOHN
TORDAY <<a href="mailto:jtorday@ucla.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jtorday@ucla.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="4">To Eric,
Gordana, Howard,
regarding the role of
sex in evolution, I
would like to point out
that the role of gravity
in evolution also
entails sex in the
following way. In the
study of the effect of
microgravity on yeast,
the simplest eukaryote,
they cannot 'bud' as
form of asexual
reproduction in
microgravitational
conditions (<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Purevdorj-Gage
B, Sheehan KB, Hyman
LE. Effects of
low-shear modeled
microgravity on cell
function, gene
expression, and
phenotype in
Saccharomyces
cerevisiae. Appl
Environ Microbiol.
2006
Jul;72(7):4569-75). I
am of the opinion that
it is only in
addressing the
evolutionary ontology
as it corresponds with
the epistemology that
an adaptive trait can
be understood, as in
the case of sex as a
means of adapting to
an ever-changing
environment. In the
case of yeast, budding
is a means of
epigenetic inheritance
of environmental
factors relevant to
its adaptation, and
the force of gravity
affects that process.
These authors also
observed that the
yeast could not
conduct a calcium flux
under microgravity,
rendering them
unconscious 'zombies'.
I share this
information with you
in an attempt to find
a final common pathway
for the process of
evolution, ultimately
referring to the
elements in the Cosmos
as the latter's
'logic', as I
expressed it in an
accompanying email
earlier today....Best,
John</span></font></div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun,
Nov 23, 2025 at 8:13 AM
OARF <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi Gordana,</span>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I was just responding to Howard’s more general
point beyond bacteria.
Eukaryotes have sex an
inherently social
process. Sexuality is
fundamentally a
cooperative process,
at many levels of
organization. Even
social at the level of
the genome: See my
theory of meta-genome
interactions between
the sexes. It is
particularly clear in
the case physically
mixed sex organisms
(this can be
neurological as
well). See the theory
applied to mixed sex
organisms or
gynandropmorphs: </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5439__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XLF-Q-SqJ-AuvQ-dic9ptw82Ooe57dI4UX6ePa7CTWADakJMPTruAnfSd0yTCHhsfb-S3Rv04mCA4h3ClsatzQ4$" style="color:rgb(37,37,255)" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.5439</a></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">So the sexuality of being is inherently
social. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">-Eric</div>
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