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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Many thanks, Pedro. Much appreciated. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Best, </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Bill </div><div><br></div>
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On Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 01:58:30 PM MST, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div class="yiv2661377085moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for the positive comment. In my
view these points represent sort of milestones that have to be
properly connected to explore the "camino real" of information.
Say, from molecules to human thought, to social complexity.
"Thinking molecules" continues to be a most astonishing and
enigmatic issue.</div>
<div class="yiv2661377085moz-cite-prefix">The biblio refs. are<b>: </b><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv2661377085moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US">Pedro
C. Marijuán & Jorge Navarro (2019): </span><span lang="EN-US"></span><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;">Ten Principles of Information
Science, in </span></span><span style=""><span lang="EN-US">Philosophy
And Methodology Of Information: The Study Of Information In
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Transdisciplinary Perspective (World Scientific Series In
Information Studies.
2019. Mark Burgin and Gordana Dodig-crnkovic (Editors)</span></span>.</div>
<div class="yiv2661377085moz-cite-prefix"><span class="yiv2661377085">DOI:
10.1142/9789813277526_0020 </span>Also available in:
<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332765195_Ten_Principles_of_Information_Science__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UYnNLkUqJn0WYPjPormyWO1Q_dWXdgWRb0EYowI2kQ6IGWSrc-LD_aYPe26WXJ6AbYn7o_nQUHQKBa1ujQOO_aDUHzDv$" class="yiv2661377085moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332765195_Ten_Principles_of_Information_Science</a><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv2661377085moz-cite-prefix">And a revision was made later on,
preprint available in researchgate, DOI:<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.14372.30088__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UYnNLkUqJn0WYPjPormyWO1Q_dWXdgWRb0EYowI2kQ6IGWSrc-LD_aYPe26WXJ6AbYn7o_nQUHQKBa1ujQOO_TNk8Azj$" class="yiv2661377085nova-legacy-e-link yiv2661377085nova-legacy-e-link--color-inherit yiv2661377085nova-legacy-e-link--theme-decorated">10.13140/RG.2.2.14372.30088</a>
which we published in a Chinese journal first, but I had no time
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<p align="left" style="margin:0cm;"><span style=""><span lang="EN-US">INFORMATION PHILOSOPHY AND THE
FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF INFORMATION SCIENCE: REVISITING
“THE TEN
PRINCIPLES.” </span><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;">Pedro
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<p align="left" style="margin:0cm;"><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;">This revised
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<p align="left" style="margin:0cm;"><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;">Thanks for your
interest!</span></span></p>
<p align="left" style="margin:0cm;"><span style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;">Best--Pedro</span><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;"><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">These are excellent. I'm
interested in where you published these, or perhaps these
principles are an amalgam of many of your prior publications? </div>
<div dir="ltr">Best and thanks, </div>
<div dir="ltr">Bill </div>
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Marijuán <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" class="yiv2661377085moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com></a> wrote: </div>
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Maybe my text below is not exactly what you demand,
but I prepared it around 10 years ago and was
published in an extended way later on. I have made
very few changes afterwards, but I hope to develop it
more properly (just those "20 pages" you mention) one
of these years...</div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><b style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;">Ten
Principles of Information Science</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 1.
Information is distinction on an <i style="">adjacent
</i>difference. <span style="color:red;"></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;color:red;"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;">2.
Information processes consist in organized action
upon differences collected onto structures,
patterns, sequences, messages, or flows.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 3.
Information flows are essential organizers of life
self-production process – the life cycle –
anticipating, shaping, and mixing up with the
accompanying energy flows.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 4.
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Information/communication exchanges among adaptive
life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological
organization at all scales.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 5.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;">
Phenomena of meaning, knowledge, and cognition
(& intelligence) emerge via signaling systems
& gene systems of living cells—fully developed
via the action/perception cycle of central nervous
systems.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 6.
It is symbolic language what conveys the essential
communication exchanges of human individuals—and
constitutes the core of their "social nature."</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 7.
Human information can be transformed into
efficient knowledge by following the "knowledge
instinct", further disciplined and delimited by
applying rigorous methodologies.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 8.
Human cognitive limitations are partially overcome
via "knowledge ecologies", where knowledge
circulates and recombines socially in a continuous
actualization that involves "creative destruction"
of theories, practices, and disciplines.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 9.
Narratives become encapsulated forms of “natural
intelligence”, tailored to capture our collective
attention and memory, and essential for the
cohesion of social, political, and economic
structures.</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify;line-height:14.0pt;" class="yiv2661377085MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;"> 10.
Information science proposes a new, radical vision
on how information and knowledge surround
individual lives, with profound consequences for
scientific-philosophical practice and for social
governance.</span></p>
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book of Informatics has 100 pages, what content
would be the most important 20 pages (per 20:80
Law)? I'm asking this question to all of you
since the Club of Remy is organizing a
discussion to integrate
Systemics-Cyberentics-Informatics sister fields
into a unified trinity curriculum for the
younger generation. Here is the original Call
for Discussants. I wish some of you would be
kind enough to provide your insights to answer
the two questions raised in this call. You are
also more than welcome to consider attending
these discussions in our Zoom meetings later.
Best regards - Jason</div>
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<div style="font-size:large;" class="yiv2661377085gmail_default"><b style="font-size:small;">Title: It is time to
wrap up cybernetics – and distill 20% of it
for a new curriculum </b>
<div style="font-size:small;"><b>Author: Jason
Hu</b></div>
<div style="font-size:small;"><b>Outline:</b></div>
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<p>Two great cyberneticians in our Club of
Remy have Rest-In-Peace: Our beloved
Professor Klaus Krippendorff and Professor
Loet Leydesdorff. Our YouTube channel now
has their “Playlist” of their contributions
to our club. A number of noted
cyberneticians have reduced participation in
the recent two years; the reasons might be
aging, decline of health, and/or exhaustion
of new insights from cybernetics per se. One
of the used-to-be large cybernetics
discussion forums, CYBCOM, initialized by me
and Stuart Umpleby as a Listserv on an IBM
mainframe more than 30 years ago, now has
only one active user posting on it (not me).</p>
<p>Meanwhile, huge tides in R&D and
applications, initiated in 1943 by the
McCulloch-Pitts, are currently changing our
world in a profound way. Some of my
colleagues might not like it, since these
new waves discarded the term “cybernetics”
but use the word “AI,” even though they are
deeply related, if not identical.</p>
<p>After studying (and working/practicing) in
the field named “cybernetics” since 1979,
through many mentors/advisors in those 47
years, I think it is time now that we wrap
up what we call “cybernetics” and start a
new field of human knowledge, SCI.” In a
narrow definition, SCI stands for
Systemics-Cybernetics-Informatics trinity.
In a broader definition, it should also
include and integrate Catastrophe Theory,
Dissipative Theory, Synergetics, Chaos
Theory, Complexity Science, and Evolution
Theory (alas, a total of 9 names). All these
names mentioned here have inner connections,
but their ideas/models/insights are spread
in many different books and papers that are
severely siloed and confusing to young
learners.</p>
<p>The Oxford Project, which started last
September at the WOSC conference, is an
effort to develop a “standard model” of SCI
for a new generation of learners, with the
assistance of currently available AI tools.
This Call of Discussants to all members of
CoR asking if you are with me to go forward
this transition from “only cybernetics” to
“SCI,” Yes or No? </p>
<p>If yes, here are two questions to be
discussed in this session: 1-What are the
20% most important knowledge pieces (per
20:80 law) from “cybernetics” that we need
to present in the SCI curriculum? 2- What
will be our feasible approach to use current
AI tools to make this new SCI
curriculum/online course?</p>
<p>I shall post question #1 to “Systemics”
colleagues (ISSS) and “Informatics”
colleagues (FIS) to invite them into this
Lego game (of redefining a new field of
knowledge SCI in the format of an
entry-level curriculum). ChatGPT, Gemini,
Grok, and Perplexity will be invited too.</p>
<p>If you have some ideas about these two
questions, please sign up for a good
discussion.</p>
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