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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Howard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Picking up on your mail from last week, it seems that the key point is
<i>definitions</i>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think it’s rather ironic that the word ‘information’ is itself uninformative, since it can be used in very different ways. If two people in a discussion are using the term under a
different definition then a fruitful dialogue is unlikely. And there are many more than two options to choose from!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Certainly, there are uses of the word in which quantum physics and entropy are relevant, and such definitions appear to be the main topic of this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You and I are using the word in a very different way: that which allows living organisms to behave responsively and adaptively and thus sustain their far from equilibrium states. A definition
that lies in the conceptual vicinity of Pierce’s ‘pragmatic information’ and indeed has little or nothing to do with quantum physics or entropy. But one that necessitates more than most other definitions an acknowledgement of an immaterial aspect to reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In my opinion this is an equally valid use of the word, but one which presumably requires (and deserves) its own discussion thread. Perhaps you would like to kick off?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All the best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Howard Bloom <<a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com">howlbloom@aol.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 20 March 2025 04:24<br>
<b>To:</b> Louis Kauffman <<a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">loukau@gmail.com</a>>; Stuart Kauffman <<a href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com">stukauffman@gmail.com</a>>; Sudip Patra <<a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in">spatra@jgu.edu.in</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>>; 1 <<a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com">ktpeil@outlook.com</a>>; Peter Erdi <<a href="mailto:peter.erdi@kzoo.edu">peter.erdi@kzoo.edu</a>>; fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>>;
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>; Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</a>>; Daniel Boyd <<a href="mailto:daniel.boyd@live.nl">daniel.boyd@live.nl</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of materialism<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">could i please repeat the definition of information in my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">information is anything a receiver can interpret<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">how do we know if a receiver has interpreted? by the receiver's response. unless it's an animal or a human and keeps that response to itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">two things that are not useful in understanding information, in my opinion, are quantum physics and the entropy equation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">with warmth and oomph—howard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Also, as it's emerging, in quantum-like cognition literature, there are analogies and subtle differences between quantum and cognitive processes. Both
are non Boolean certainly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">But more general frameworks are required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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