<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp5eede2fayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">pedro, thanks for this detailed and patient criticism.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br></div><div><br></div>
</div><div id="ydpc84ab20fyahoo_quoted_3107121512" class="ydpc84ab20fyahoo_quoted"><div class="ydpc84ab20fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;">
<div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div class="ydpc84ab20fquoted-text-header">
On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 05:44:51 PM EDT, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com> wrote:
</div>
</div><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #ccc;padding-left: 8px;margin: 0px 0px 0px 8px" class="ydpc84ab20finline_reply_quote_container" data-split-quote-node="true">
<div><br></div><div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682">
<div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-forward-container">-------- Mensaje reenviado
--------
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-email-headers-table">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">Asunto:
</th>
<td>Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of
materialism</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">Fecha: </th>
<td>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:23:33 +0100</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">De: </th>
<td>Eric Werner <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">Organización:
</th>
<td>OARF.org</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">Para: </th>
<td>Sudip Patra <a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><spatra@jgu.edu.in></a>,
Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><howlbloom@aol.com></a>,
Louis Kauffman <a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><loukau@gmail.com></a>,
Stuart Kauffman <a href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><stukauffman@gmail.com></a>,
fis <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="">CC: </th>
<td>Peter Erdi <a href="mailto:peter.erdi@kzoo.edu" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><peter.erdi@kzoo.edu></a>,
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-abbreviated ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>,
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a>,
Daniel Boyd <a href="mailto:daniel.boyd@live.nl" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><daniel.boyd@live.nl></a></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<h1>The role of definitions and information in theory
construction</h1>
<p>Dear Howard and Pauvre Materialists,<br>
</p>
<p>My "mishmash", as you describe it, was invitation to an
open discussion about the concept of possibility and its
role in the foundations of physics and more. It leads me to
suspect you did not understand either the motives or how
concepts involved relate to one another. Let me briefly
clarify: <br>
</p>
</div>
<ul>
<li>It was an invitation to reason about the concept of
possibility underpinning quantum mechanics with regular
physics.</li>
<li>When I discussed with friends in Africa on the foundations
of physics, linguistics, the role of intention and its
representation in the brain, it was a back and forth with
the hope of making progress. So it is my intention with fis.
To lay bare the open ended questions and reasoning. That is
an essential process in theory construction. <br>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Creating new theories, requires openness to different ways
of looking at things, a back-and-forth. It means questioning
with the willingness to learn. <br>
<h1>Definitions</h1>
</li>
<li>If I define plus as minus then I can prove that 1+1 is
zero. It looks surprising and catches attention, but it
misses the point. So it is with your definition of
information it does not capture some essential properties of
the concept such as how information can incrementally
increase.</li>
<li>One classic definition is: Information is that which adds
to a representation. It is good, but fails for information
states that do not have a common core. <br>
</li>
<li>A definition needs to capture the properties of what it
defines</li>
<li>Your definition lets you to claim all kinds of things that
don’t necessarily match reality. I have not read your book
but I suspect that your definition of information may have
led you astray. <br>
<h1>AI its use and misuse<br>
</h1>
</li>
<li>By the way using Claude AI to have a deep discussion does
not mean that I am not aware of its statistical bedrock. On
the other hand you, perhaps unwittingly, took advantage of
that and bullied poor ChatGPT to give traditional answers
that fit your views. </li>
<li>In contrast, I used Claude to have an open discussion not
forcing it, rather stimulating it to reveal its deep
knowledge. <br>
</li>
</ul>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Well enough of my ego talking. I do want to get at
an understanding of possibility spaces, information and its
relationship not only physics but also our social mind. <br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">All the best my dear Howard and my beloved Pauvre
Materialists,</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Eric</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-signature">-- <br>
<i> Dr. Eric Werner, FLS <br>
Oxford Advanced Research Foundation <br>
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://oarf.org__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XB1xw_es1fIO1PBIo0KvtDFSfpnc8Hu0YrGzH3q0LEujGJpDSYBnjSax3kNB9x2hdTSuVVch_4KbZiPH6q0u7ng$" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://oarf.org</a> <br>
</i></div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-cite-prefix">On 3/20/25 4:35 AM, Sudip Patra
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Interesting.</div>
<div>In standard frames also information and entropy
are conceptualized differently, like in engeering and
thermodynamics, subtle differences.</div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"><br>
</div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682ms-outlook-mobile-signature">Get <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XB1xw_es1fIO1PBIo0KvtDFSfpnc8Hu0YrGzH3q0LEujGJpDSYBnjSax3kNB9x2hdTSuVVch_4KbZiPHbztb_2A$" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Outlook for Android</a></div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%;" tabindex="-1">
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt;" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><howlbloom@aol.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 8:54:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Louis Kauffman <a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><loukau@gmail.com></a>;
Stuart Kauffman <a href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><stukauffman@gmail.com></a>;
Sudip Patra <a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><spatra@jgu.edu.in></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Werner <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;
1 <a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><ktpeil@outlook.com></a>;
Peter Erdi <a href="mailto:peter.erdi@kzoo.edu" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><peter.erdi@kzoo.edu></a>;
fis <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-abbreviated ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>;
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a>;
Daniel Boyd <a href="mailto:daniel.boyd@live.nl" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><daniel.boyd@live.nl></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Fis] Emotional
Contagion? -The Irreality of materialism</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp8ae75d12yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir="ltr">could i please repeat the
definition of information in my book The God Problem: How
a Godless Cosmos Creates:</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;">
<div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp8ae75d12yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir="ltr">information is anything
a receiver can interpret</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp8ae75d12yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir="ltr">how do we know if a
receiver has interpreted? by the receiver's response.
unless it's an animal or a human and keeps that response
to itself.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">two things that are not
useful in understanding information, in my opinion, are
quantum physics and the entropy equation.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>with warmth and
oomph--howard</span><br>
</div>
</div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyahoo_quoted_2662514809" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyahoo_quoted">
<div style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px;" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyahoo-style-wrap">
<div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecquoted-text-header">On
Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 10:30:07 PM EDT, Sudip
Patra <a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><spatra@jgu.edu.in></a>
wrote: </div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:8px;margin:0px 0px 0px 8px;" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecinline_reply_quote_container">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">
<div>
<div>Also, as it's emerging, in quantum-like
cognition literature, there are analogies and
subtle differences between quantum and cognitive
processes. Both are non Boolean certainly.</div>
<div>But more general frameworks are required.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Regards Sudip </div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969ms-outlook-mobile-signature">Get <a shape="rect" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XB1xw_es1fIO1PBIo0KvtDFSfpnc8Hu0YrGzH3q0LEujGJpDSYBnjSax3kNB9x2hdTSuVVch_4KbZiPHbztb_2A$" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Outlook for Android</a></div>
<hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block;width:98%;">
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969yqt71038" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969yqt3820092863">
<div dir="ltr" id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969divRplyFwdMsg"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt;"><b>From:</b> Sudip
Patra <a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><spatra@jgu.edu.in></a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025
7:28:46 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Louis Kauffman <a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><loukau@gmail.com></a>;
Stuart Kauffman <a href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><stukauffman@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Werner <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;
1 <a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><ktpeil@outlook.com></a>;
Peter Erdi <a href="mailto:Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu></a>;
fis <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-abbreviated ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>;
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a>;
Daniel Boyd <a href="mailto:daniel.boyd@live.nl" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><daniel.boyd@live.nl></a>;
Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><howlbloom@aol.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Fis]
Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of
materialism</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Quantum mechanics is a very curious case
where new information is created when
'measurement' happens, it's inherently a
contextual theory.</div>
<div>However our attempt is to make sense of
evolving possibility space itself, which
challenges formal system description.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Regards Sudip </div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969x_ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"><br clear="none">
</div>
<div id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969x_ms-outlook-mobile-signature">Get <a shape="rect" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XB1xw_es1fIO1PBIo0KvtDFSfpnc8Hu0YrGzH3q0LEujGJpDSYBnjSax3kNB9x2hdTSuVVch_4KbZiPHbztb_2A$" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Outlook for
Android</a></div>
<hr tabindex="-1" style="display:inline-block;width:98%;">
<div dir="ltr" id="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969x_divRplyFwdMsg"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt;"><b>From:</b> Louis
Kauffman <a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><loukau@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025
5:36:48 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Stuart Kauffman <a href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><stukauffman@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Werner <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;
Sudip Patra <a href="mailto:spatra@jgu.edu.in" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><spatra@jgu.edu.in></a>;
1 <a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><ktpeil@outlook.com></a>;
Peter Erdi <a href="mailto:Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu></a>;
fis <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-abbreviated ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>;
Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a>;
Daniel Boyd <a href="mailto:daniel.boyd@live.nl" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><daniel.boyd@live.nl></a>;
Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><howlbloom@aol.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Fis]
Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of
materialism</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">Dear
Stu,</div>
1. It is only in some particular calculation
that one assumes one knows all the
possibilities in a quantum mechanical
situation, or in any physical situation.
This is variable and depends on present
theory, knowledge and experiment.
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">2.
Mathematical structures are as open to
invention as are natural structures. The
whole point of Goedel’s Theorem is that we
have to give up the idea that everything
is carried out in some fixed formal
system. We are allowed to keep inventing,
conjuring or jury rigging new formalities,
new games, new relationships, to the
limits of our ability to invent and
discover.</div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">3.
Therefore all arguments about limits to
mathematical structure are off the table. </div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">4.
The question then is - what lies beyond
the bounds of any description?</div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">Best,</div>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682x_ydp997830ecyiv7715352969">Lou</div>
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-signature">-- <br>
<i> Dr. Eric Werner, FLS <br>
Oxford Advanced Research Foundation <br>
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://oarf.org__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XB1xw_es1fIO1PBIo0KvtDFSfpnc8Hu0YrGzH3q0LEujGJpDSYBnjSax3kNB9x2hdTSuVVch_4KbZiPH6q0u7ng$" class="ydpc84ab20fyiv6909495682moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://oarf.org</a> <br>
<br>
<br>
</i></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>_______________________________________________<br>Fis mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Fis@listas.unizar.es" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br><a href="http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis</a><br>----------<br>INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL<br><br>Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<br>Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a><br>Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.<br><a href="http://listas.unizar.es" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://listas.unizar.es</a><br>----------<div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>__________________________</div><div>Howard Bloom</div><div>The Howard Bloom Institute</div><div><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://howardbloom.institute__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RflDMx0NzkLovBfN2MsQsYXSONWsHZbPgfti8F0H9--dwKB6xOr8pYXJfDNU5w26RFZ79OvA8oB3R9fDQw$">https://howardbloom.institute</a></div><div>Author of: The Case of the Sexual Cosmos: Everything You Know About Nature is Wrong, coming March, 2025 ("A massive achievement, WOW!" Richard Foreman, MacArthur Genius Award Winner, Officer of the Order of Arts & Letters, France)</div><div>Previous books: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post), </div><div>Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker),</div><div>The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The Atlantic), </div><div>The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates ("Bloom's argument will rock your world." Barbara Ehrenreich),</div><div>How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary),</div><div>The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David Swindle, PJ Media),</div><div>Einstein, Michael Jackson & Me: a Search for Soul in the Power Pits of Rock & Roll ("Amazing. The writing is revelatory." Freddy DeMann, manager of Michael Jackson and Madonna), Best Book of 2020, New York Weekly Times </div><div><br></div><div>A Quartz Magazine Pro</div><div>Professor of Practice, Kepler Space University </div><div>Co-founder, The Asian Space Technology Summit</div><div>Former Visiting Scholar, Graduate Psychology Department, New York University, Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; </div><div>Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder, Space Development Steering Committee. Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member: Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project.</div><div><br></div><div>BRIC-TV's 66-minute film, The Grand Unified Theory of Howard Bloom, <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atYmiEZ6YDU__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RflDMx0NzkLovBfN2MsQsYXSONWsHZbPgfti8F0H9--dwKB6xOr8pYXJfDNU5w26RFZ79OvA8oCAdE0enw$">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atYmiEZ6YDU</a></div><div>Best Picture, Science Design Film Festival. Best Documentary Feature, Not Film Festival, Italy. Available on Apple TV, Amazon, Google Play, Microsoft, Vimeo, Vudu, and Fandango.</div><div><br></div></div><br></div>
</div>
</div></div></body></html>