<div dir="auto">And a very good second message, Gordana. <div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Indeed, the idea of reality is hard to understand without taking reference to numbers. At least, with numbers we know what we are talking about.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Consider the whole setup under the perspective of order. Then we have amounts with properties and places where the amounts can be during periodic changes. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We quickly arrive at logistics, seeing that a reorder is a task expressed in [mkg]. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Which part of the composition of distances and amounts one uses as the explanation of the interplay, is culture dependent. We usually find distances more objective than amounts. So our explanation will show amounts as a form of agglomeration of distances. We can also explain that the properties of amounts necessarily implicate the existence of distances between them. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Reality is a subset of possibilities. The rules that filter out the alternatives that may, and such that can and such that probably will come into existence (aka 'reality') are numeric by Nature. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I will spare you the details, but be assured, there is a rational way to classify diverse types and degrees of reality.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The numbers support your material concepts</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Respectfully </div><div dir="auto">Karl </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Gordana Dodig Crnkovic <<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</a>> schrieb am Mi., 12. März 2025, 12:27:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><strong><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book";font-weight:normal">Dear Dualists/Platonists/Spiritualists/Immaterialists,</span></strong><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Avenir Book";font-weight:normal"><u></u><u></u></span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">At the very bottom of all the mentioned phenomena lies matter.<br>
Yet, at the bottom of matter itself—when you open those boxes of elementary particles, each containing yet more boxes of more elementary particles, and so forth—at the very bottom lies nothingness (for us).<br>
Thus, the opposition between materiality and immateriality is less definitive than it might seem.</span><span lang="SV" style="font-family:"Avenir Book""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">Crucially, everything depends on the "observer" (actor): possibilities (potential information), quantum mechanics, consciousness, including “soul” in its various disguises. For Aristotle “soul” was synonymous with
life which is a very reasonable view.</span><span lang="SV" style="font-family:"Avenir Book""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">Without “materiality” there is no “reality”</span></b><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book""> for an observer/actor/agent in the world.</span><span lang="SV" style="font-family:"Avenir Book""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">Gordana<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Avenir Book"">My second message this week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>><br>
<b>Organisation: </b>OARF.org<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 12 March 2025 at 11:58<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Erdi <<a href="mailto:Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Peter.Erdi@kzoo.edu</a>>, Gordana CHALMERS <<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</a>>, Katherine Peil <<a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ktpeil@outlook.com</a>>, Howard Bloom <<a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">howlbloom@aol.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>" <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion? -The Irreality of materialism<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Dear Materialists,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<h1>Reality of possibilities far exceeds material reality<u></u><u></u></h1>
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There are more possibilities in most situations than there is space in the universe to contain them,<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Possibilities are real.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Therefore, not all reality is physical or in physical space time.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
In quantum mechanics there are more possibilities than space in the universe to contain them.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Therefore, there must be one or more extra dimensions to contain them.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
The consciousness and cloning problem shows the consciousness must be in another dimension beyond our four dimensional space time<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
The soul if it exists may be partly in our four dimensional space-time and partly in other dimensions of reality.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Materialism is just one aspect of reality. <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Reality is not just material it also contains the immaterial which by far exceeds the material.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/11/25 8:35 PM, Peter Erdi wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I am supporting Gordana's arguments and suggest this well-cited paper<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/psu-psychology.github.io/psy-511-scan-fdns-2018/lectures/pdf/The_neural_bases_of_emotion_re.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!X8l0cGXYnCDoWwpQdAKdeXofWqb9cy_mWyKiqDJK2ExjYcnj70EhtVRKY6IcHZLG6A96uAXbqawoFIm68LZD_HH9$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://psu-psychology.github.io/psy-511-scan-fdns-2018/lectures/pdf/The_neural_bases_of_emotion_re.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Peter<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Fis
<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> on behalf of Gordana Dodig Crnkovic
<a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 11, 2025 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Eric Werner <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>; Katherine Peil
<a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><ktpeil@outlook.com></a>; Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<howlbloom@aol.com></a>; <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion?</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Dear Eric, Kate, Howard, and All,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Being a physicist, and reading recent discussions, I would like to argue that there is no such thing as immaterial emotions.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">At the core, emotions are material phenomena.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Likewise, <i>relations</i> are fundamentally material. There is no information without physical implementation, as Landauer famously argued.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Below are my five arguments on embodyment of emotional contagion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">1. Emotional Contagion is a Biological Process</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Emotional contagion occurs through bodily interactions—facial expressions, gestures, tone of voice, posture, and even subtle physiological signals (heart rate, breathing patterns). When one person
smiles, it activates mirror neurons in the observer’s brain, prompting similar facial muscles to contract, causing measurable physical changes and subsequent shifts in emotional state.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">2. Emotional Contagion is Chemically Mediated</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Emotional states are directly connected to biochemical substances like oxytocin, cortisol, dopamine, and serotonin. When emotional contagion happens, it does so through these material biochemical mediators.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">3. Emotional Contagion Based on Embodiment of Emotion</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Emotions are not "floating" entities—they are communicated via bodily presence. The presence of a physical body expressing emotion is essential for contagion. Without physical embodiment (special facial
expressions, sound, rhythm, smell, touch, posture, movements), emotional contagion does not occur. Emotions transmitted through screens (video calls) are weaker compared to face-to-face interactions precisely because physical embodiment.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">4. Manipulability of Emotional Contagion</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Emotional contagion can be modified or dampened pharmacologically (e.g., through anxiety-reducing drugs). If emotions were immaterial, medications wouldn't alter emotional responses. Beta-blockers
reduce physical symptoms of anxiety (heartbeat, shaking), weakening emotional contagion (e.g., stage fright contagion). Antidepressants directly alter emotional contagion by stabilizing neurotransmitters.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">5. Neuroscientific Evidence of Embodied Resonance</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Neuroimaging clearly demonstrates activation of specific physical brain areas (mirror neuron systems, limbic system, amygdala) during emotional reactions. This direct neural activity is material. Seeing
someone in pain activates similar pain circuits in the observer's brain—physically embodying the emotion in neural tissue.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""> </span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">How this counters the immaterial perspective?</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Those who argue emotions are "immaterial" claim emotions are disconnected from the body. However, emotional contagion’s dependence on observable, biological, chemical, and neurological mechanisms refute
this clearly. If emotions were immaterial, contagion wouldn’t require physical presence with related physiological processes involving chemical, or neuronal pathways.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">All the best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Gordana</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">PS</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">My arguments are the result of a long discussion with GPT-4.5, which produced 20 pages of text. These were the prompts I used:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Can you please explain emotional contagion to me?</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Do you see a connection to the resonance phenomena in physics?*</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">What are the main differences between physical resonance and emotional contagion?<br>
(At this point, GPT-4.5 began to explain the view that emotions, like consciousness, are subjective and therefore immaterial, while physical resonance is a material phenomenon. I argued that it confused "subjective" with "immaterial." Subjective experience
is necessarily embodied and thus has a material substrate. GPT-4.5 accepted my arguments.)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Can you summarize this discussion?</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Finally, I edited the summary, shortening it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">I wrote this mail and asked GPT-4.5 to check my English.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">What was my contribution?<br>
A physicist's view on emotional contagion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">* Resonance occurs when an external force or
<i>driving frequency matches the natural frequency of a system</i>, causing the system to oscillate with greatly increased amplitude.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Fis
<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> on behalf of Eric Werner
<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a><br>
<b>Organisation: </b>OARF.org<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 11 March 2025 at 16:24<br>
<b>To: </b>Howard Bloom <a href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><howlbloom@aol.com></a>,
<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">"fis@listas.unizar.es"</a> <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<fis@listas.unizar.es></a>, Katherine Peil <a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><ktpeil@outlook.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] Emotional Contagion?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Dear Kate, Howard and All,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I have had highs in concerts and deep experiences with the Aborigines in the heart of Australia. These experiences seem to have little to do with each other. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The insight given to me by my experience in Australia evoked the thought "They are crazy over there". Where "over there" was European and American industrialized societies, their wrong path and lack of genuine meaning. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The insight given to me while blowing up balloons backstage at a Rolling Stones concert was, well, seeing Mick Jagger from the back while he elicited the highs in his frontal audience. (My girlfriend and I didn't have tickets and tried to get in and lucked
out being asked if we wanted to help backstage.) So I, the Ph.D. -logician-philosopher-computer AI scientist-developmental biologist-cancer theorist-(back at you Howard<span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😉</span>), worked for a time for Mick Jagger! <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>What is the point?: I learned more from my interaction with a 50,000 year old mind in Australia than from all the science and even Mick Jagger! It was emotion but it was more. Certainly not material.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As for the Beethoven sequence (of creating, encoding, interpreting and executing the encoding, hearing the execution, encoding and experiencing}, has interesting relations to embryonic development. Such transformations are at the heart of development and
communication.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>-Eric<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>On 3/11/25 5:48 AM, Howard Bloom wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">kate, your question about emotional contagion and what we can call "the cloud effect" is a good one.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">about this statement, with which i deeply agree:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif">science is remiss if it fails to interrogate the nature and power of “faith”, given our embodied capacities for anomalous or “spiritual" experiences</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">i'm an atheist. when science first grabbed hold of my soul when i was ten years old, its aspiration to me seemed to be omniscience.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">spiritual experiences are real. they may not be manifestations of god, especially to folks like me to whom there is no god. so what the hell are they? where do they come from? how did they
evolve? what do they mean? what do they tell us about the nature of the cosmos that has birthed them?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">in my fieldwork in mass behavior, working with people like michael jackson and prince for 20 years, i saw collective ecstasies, what emil durkheim called "collective effervescence," ecstatic
experiences at work in audiences all over north america.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">in fact, one of the jobs of my entertainers was to reliably evoke these transcendent experiences. and in building the careers of people like Prince, it was my job to help deliver these ecstasies.
they are real.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">if science can't address the question of these experiences, it abandons the aspiration to omniscience. and it's not science.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">with warmth and oomph--howard</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">Hello All,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">The discussion about
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">“</span><span style="font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">nothing" or “something" being exchanged between speakers and listeners prompts this
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">question: What about the phenomenon of "emotional contagion”? Do Mike Levin’s revelation about bioelectricity bear upon the concept of “subtle energy”?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Avenir",sans-serif;color:#26282a">Also, science is remiss if it fails to
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Pre-emptive pejoratives are not good science, but they abound.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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