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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">interesting thoughts, krassimir. well worth pondering.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">one note. if information and mental models are configurations of material things--neurons--then the configurations are yet another example of the material power of immaterial things.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="font-size: 18pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; letter-spacing: -0.25pt; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"> The configurations are immaterial.</span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="font-size: 18pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; letter-spacing: -0.25pt; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span style="font-size: 18pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: black; letter-spacing: -0.25pt; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial;"><span>with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Sunday, March 9, 2025 at 05:04:16 AM EDT, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">Dear Howard,</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">You wrote:</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">"... but I’m curious to hear your reason for not using information
as the term for all immaterial mysteries."</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">Here is my answer:</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">The Information definition as it is in the General
Information Theory (GIT)</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">We
perceive </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">(reflect) <b>reality</b></span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> through our sensors, after which </span><b><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">reflections
(data) </span></b><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">pass
through the sensory memory and enter the temporary memory of the brain. It is
here that our consciousness has already prepared a corresponding mental model</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> loaded
from long term memory (Information Expectation,” IE”)</span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">, through which we will recognize the
data. Only after </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">data is</span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> recognized and connected to </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">the
information expectation</span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">, the data, together with the part of the </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">IE </span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">with which </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">it is</span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> connected (<b>meaning</b>!),
are perceived as information. That is, only at this stage</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">, </span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">we will have </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">mental model,
which is </span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">“information”.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> In
other words, <b>information is</b> <b>data with meaning</b>. The
information may be stored in the long term memory as a new mental model
(usually called “<b>knowledge</b>”).</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">If data is equal to the IE no new mental model is created (it is already
“known” data).</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">If
there is no mental model to </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">be </span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">use</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">d</span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> for IE, the consciousness tries
to create a new one (a new concept!) or remember the data as unrecognized, for
example, as is the case with UFOs.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">The same process may exist based on internal (self-) reflection. I.e.
some mental models may be compared to another and as result a new mental model
(<b>subjective information</b>, <b>a new idea</b>!) may be created and
stored in the long term (<b>semantic</b>, “knowledge”) memory of the brain.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">Finally, the immaterial is just a subjective mental model(s). From the
empty Universe through the scientific constructions, like the mathematical
“ideal” objects, up to the God, all are mental models in the </span><span lang="BG" style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">consciousness</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">, which may
be externalized using corresponding languages.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">The mental models are absolutely material, they are neurons’
configurations and when the brain dies they are destroyed. </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">With respect,</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;">Krassimir</span><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,;"></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;" class="ydpf62f003byiv6256278337MsoNormal">
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