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<span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dear Pedro, Dear All,</span>
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<span style="font-size: 13pt;">I had not realized the session was ending, and was waiting until outside "jail" to send the attached. I hope it may still prompt some discussion, off-line or on.</span>
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Dear Pedro, Dear Colleagues,
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Please let me apologize for having exceeded my limit for the previous week. I have now purged the maximum penalty (0) notes. Returning to the discussion, I would first like to thank Krassimir and Jason for their kind words, as appreciated as they are rare. Comments on some of last week’s contributions follow:
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1. <span lang="EN-US">Starting with Terry’s note of 24.1, we can all agree, I think, on the reality of transduction. I contend, however, that the aspect of <em>its</em> movement from potentiality to actuality and <em>vice versa</em> cannot be handled within binary logic. And this is to a certain extent confirmed by Lou of 25.1 by seeing its “even more abstract” aspects.</span>
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Like the hidden included middle of Basarab Nicolescu, the theoretical physicist and founder with Stéphane Lupasco of Transdisciplinarity, reality is what escapes our attempts to categorize or define it.
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2. The continuing discussion by Eric and Lou of LoF is most instructive, but it begs the question of “why bother”? If a more direct, dynamic model of change is available, why not use it? In the review by Robinson of GSB, we are still not beyond terms following a Boolean logic.
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3. <span lang="EN-US">Lou’s second direct note (thank you) of 26.1still makes assumptions about how the world is to be described: non-Boolean logics apply only if, what is alleged to be obviously false, one is attempting a Promethean total description of the world. But there is nothing “Promethean” about physics, and if my interpretation of the logic of change demonstrates it dependence on the laws of physics, it is that this aspect has been ignored, not that it is <em>ipso facto </em>false. </span>
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4. The paradoxes to which references are made including the most primitive cannot, in my opinion, by used to model change. They are epistemic, period. Escher’s hands are not real.
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5. <span lang="EN-US">One small but critical comment on Pedro of 26.1: the fuzzy logics of Zadeh <em>et al.</em> are all semantic, linguistic logics. They cannot apply directly to real processes.</span>
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6. <span lang="EN-US">Lou’s notes of 27.1 go from the barber to the Upanishads. The enormous changes in the domain of discourse should immediately suggest that the same logical processes are not at work throughout. Concentrating only of the last, of course it upsets me that I have to go <em>contra </em>Cantor also. And to be accused of trying to “explain” everything? I accept, politely, this false accusation because, again, my explanation does not go beyond but is grounded in physics. It is because the intuitions of the East are so grounded that they turn out to be so correct.</span>
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7. <span lang="EN-US">Mark’s note of 27.1 opens the discussion to systems and uses the term “energy flow”. I would hope that further discussion will take place of these explicitly, and we can keep Figaro as the barbers of reference. It was Beer who wrote: “To be <em>AND </em>not to be that is the system”, and this AND is the complex one of the Tetralemma of Nagarjuna. But it is because I find only semantic “self-reference” but <em>NOT</em> “antagonism”, which Mark puts together, that I have engaged on this exercise. I ask for your indulgence.</span>
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8. Being a total dummy regarding operations on or with quaternions or hypernumbers as in Plamen and Lou of 30-31.1, I can only wonder at their beautiful complexity. But I recall that Grothendieck explicitly said that the logic of his system was binary logic. I contend we are outside the domain of information and information flow, except self-referentially, within the system.
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9. <span lang="EN-US">There is a tantalizing point for further study in Luke’s description in 30.1 of implication as a Boolean operator, where the latter is defined as “b or not-a”. The fact that implication is defined as an operator at all, to be added to the usual ones, is already encouraging. However, there are additional properties that may be ascribed to implication. I cannot discuss them further here but they, and their evolution, is implicit (<em>sic!</em>) in much of the above.</span>
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Thank you and best wishes,
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Joseph (Joe)
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Le 31.01.2025 22:22 CET, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com> a écrit :
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<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>As is tradition in this List, the beginning of Chinese New Year announces the coming end of the FIS New Year Lecture.</p>
<p>Thanks are given to Lou for his impressive posting work and for the high quality of literary contents (some concluding comments to be added?). </p>
<p>The related discussions may continue, but now there are no chairing privileges--the iron rule of 2 - 3 mssgs per week applies to everybody.</p>
<p>And so, let us also wish our Chinese Colleagues a very Happy New Year!</p>
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<p>All the best,</p>
<p>--Pedro</p> _______________________________________________
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