<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear Thomas,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I invite you to consider a different perspective regarding the barber topic.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">"All men who do not shave themselves" is actually a superficial description, In My Honest Opinion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Why don't they? (1) their facial hair has not grown out yet; (2) they prefer leaving it growing like Gandolf; (3) They dislike that barber and don't want to see him; (4) They do not have a shaving knife at home.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Only the fourth case contains a solid client for the barber. Therefore, a better description of the issue should be "any man who <b>has a need</b> to be shaved", IMHO. Subjective judgment (of a need to be shaved) plays a key role here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Thus, the barber shaves "all men who have a need to be shaved," period. That includes himself when he perceives that he needs a shave. Case closed. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">So, I thought Russell was just too fussy entertaining himself by bragging this too much... to impress some girl students? (Like err, Martin Heidegger attracted Hannah Arendt with his deep, sophisticated philosophy...) </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Because "a set of all sets that do not contain themselves" might be just a meaningless/needless toughen-twister language game - I don't see why Russell and followers are so soaked in it. (I see I have a right/destiny of not seeing something...) You tell me.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Best regards - Jason</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 7:34 AM Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz <<a href="mailto:goernitz@em.uni-frankfurt.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">goernitz@em.uni-frankfurt.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
In addition to my answer to Joe, I would like to point out the following:<br>
<br>
If I see it correctly, Spencer Brown introduces an aspect with <br>
imaginariety that transcends the factual distinction between early, <br>
now and later. This is very nicely illustrated in Eric's post: <br>
negative, zero, positive.<br>
<br>
The temporal facts can be arranged on the real axis.<br>
<br>
The imaginary is not real. That is why it does not obey Aristotelian <br>
or Boolean logic.<br>
<br>
As I show in my books, quantum theory means recognizing an aspect that <br>
we take for granted in our daily lives: mere possibilities that have <br>
not yet become facts influence our actions even now.<br>
<br>
In other words, not only facts can cause action, but also <br>
possibilities that have not yet become facts.<br>
<br>
This fundamental insight distinguishes quantum theory from classical <br>
physics. In the latter, possibilities are merely unknown or <br>
uninteresting facts.<br>
<br>
If possibilities are not facts, then they cannot be represented on the <br>
real number line. Mathematicians have long since proposed and <br>
introduced “i”, the root of -1, as an extension to the complex <br>
numbers. Possibilities (and consequently quantum theory) can therefore <br>
be represented with imaginary or complex numbers.<br>
<br>
Possibilities can become facts. The square of an imaginary number is a <br>
real number.<br>
<br>
Spencer Brown uses the imaginary to refer to self-reference. From a <br>
natural philosophical point of view, Paul Drechsel is working on this <br>
problem of imaginativeness.<br>
<br>
Behind this insight is probably the property of the whole of nature, <br>
as far as it can be grasped by natural laws, that possibilities are <br>
much more and much more important than just unknown facts.<br>
<br>
Even an AQI has an infinite number of different possibilities, even if <br>
only two of these possibilities can be totally different because they <br>
are orthogonal to each other.<br>
<br>
I had explained this possible infinity in quantum theory as a <br>
necessary mathematical aspect for a mathematical modeling of <br>
self-reference.<br>
<br>
But of course, as Spencer Brown implicitly shows, you can also use the <br>
imaginary for it.<br>
<br>
Spencer Brown sees the effect of “re-entry”, which leads to the <br>
imaginary, as an aspect of temporality. Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker <br>
had tried to derive the structure of quantum theory from a temporal <br>
logic. This is useful because a temporal logic must include the <br>
possibilities and thus goes beyond the Aristotelian or Boolean logic <br>
of facts.<br>
<br>
If the barber in the village shaves all the men who do not shave <br>
themselves, then, according to this premise, he must shave when his <br>
beard has grown and he has not shaved.<br>
But then he has shaved himself and must not shave again for a while.<br>
But after that, the whole thing can start again. A temporal sequence <br>
can sometimes resolve the logical contradiction in a certain way.<br>
<br>
From a physical point of view, nature naturally precedes logic in <br>
time. Logic only enters the cosmos with humans. We can therefore <br>
expand Aristotelian logic into a quantum logic, precisely because this <br>
enables a better description of nature.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
Thomas<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>:<br>
<br>
> Dear Pedro, Lou, Terry and All,<br>
> At the end of his note of Jan. 23, Pedro wrote:<br>
><br>
> "I assume this at the other extreme of logical underpinnings, sorry, <br>
> but in my eyes it has some relation.."<br>
><br>
> These logics to which I have seen recent reference, especially in <br>
> connection with Spencer-Brown, are all Boolean. In addition, another <br>
> recent note below suggests that the processes involved are "circular".<br>
><br>
> I submit that what is happening before our eyes is "reductionism in <br>
> action". With a stroke of the pen, large swaths of reality are <br>
> excluded if they follow a non-Boolean logic of the kind proposed by <br>
> Boole himself in his Appendix to the Laws of Thought.<br>
><br>
> My own interpretation insures me that opposites to it are present in <br>
> your approaches also, but at most as minor perturbations that can be <br>
> safely ignored since that presence is primarily potentialized, swept <br>
> "under the rug".<br>
><br>
> The dialectical approach, which I claim has its grounding in the <br>
> Laws of Physics, and should be discussed as following them. There <br>
> are inherent in such an approach the non-standard "logical <br>
> underpinnings" that Pedro correctly states are missing. My problem <br>
> with trying to defend my position and correct it for the "common <br>
> good" is that it has never been attacked on specific grounds.<br>
><br>
> The problem I have with LoF inspired reasoning is that it is <br>
> hopelessly Hegelian, univocal. "Ad astra per aspera" preferably in <br>
> vehicles built and operated by Musk.<br>
><br>
> To conclude, applicable logical uderpinnings of your position, <br>
> Pedro, exist, and it will be in a non- or anti-LoF approach that <br>
> they may be found.<br>
><br>
> Thank you and best wishes,<br>
> Joseph<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ---------- Message d'origine ----------<br>
><br>
>> De : Louis Kauffman <<a href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">loukau@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> À : "Pedro C. Marijuán" <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> CC : fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br>
>> Date : 25.01.2025 18:03 CET<br>
>> Sujet : Re: [Fis] "Percepts" and self-reference and meaning - <br>
>> [chaotic issues]<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Dear Pedro,<br>
>> I would like to speak to your question again.<br>
>> You ask about the nature of the subject/person (in the LoF dialogue <br>
>> and/or beyond that discussion).<br>
>> Certainly that book and our discussions in language presuppose a <br>
>> subject like us who can read and reason and make distinctions as we <br>
>> make them.<br>
>><br>
>> We also look out on our worlds and see other makers of distinctions <br>
>> in a wider sense of the term - Bacteria, Eukaryotes, <br>
>> Multicellulars, Mammals and their Central Nervous System, and so <br>
>> on. And we are always looking at these through our own eyes, and <br>
>> thinking about the autonomy of such subjects. Indeed we think about <br>
>> and work with and live in our world recognizing the autonomy of <br>
>> other human subjects.<br>
>><br>
>> And we know that our language is a communal construction.<br>
>><br>
>> Yet we each, perhaps as a construction of that language, adhere to <br>
>> the notion of a personal subject.<br>
>><br>
>> So the nature of “personal subject” is something that we can each <br>
>> explore and possibly communally via language and community.<br>
>><br>
>> In the book LoF and in the literature of cybernetics there is talk <br>
>> of the “observer”, as though we knew what this meant.<br>
>> We do not know.<br>
>> And not knowing, we can regard this notion as subject (sic) for research.<br>
>> To ask about the nature of the observer is the same (I suggest) as <br>
>> to ask about the nature of distinction.<br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Lou<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On Jan 23, 2025, at 1:30 PM, Pedro C. Marijuán <br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a> mailto:<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Dear Lou and FIS Colleagues,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let me ask you just a couple of questions on the subject implicit <br>
>> in your distinction scheme. I assume it is human, an enlightened <br>
>> logician. And this person makes use of an unfettered system of <br>
>> perception --jumping then from percepts to concepts, as you say, <br>
>> and achieving a higher state of consciousness and problem solving <br>
>> via emptiness and the Heart Sutra. Right? No thought collective <br>
>> instances are intervening or involved, at least directly. And no <br>
>> ostensible limitations are precluding advancement of thought... <br>
>> And about other possible 'distinctional' subjects, i.e. non-human <br>
>> subjects --Bacteria? Eukaryotes? Multicellulars? Mammals and their <br>
>> Central Nervous System?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > One could state, too succinctly, that any of these living <br>
>> entities have adapted to their niche by abducing or intercepting ad <br>
>> hoc information flows, which in the basis become sort of <br>
>> molecular-recognition distinctions that are processed in successive <br>
>> steps and finally elaborated into meanings that adaptively change <br>
>> the ongoing behavior and selfproduction processes. So... it is <br>
>> about surviving via the information flows adaptively catched from <br>
>> the niche, which in the human case is a social niche.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Further, we humans have developed an amazing knowledge system of <br>
>> several thousand disciplines, where distinctions pile up on <br>
>> distinctions, assembled into theoretical constructs, experimental <br>
>> methods and multifarious approaches. The actual ways and means to <br>
>> move within that gigantic tangle have been pragmatism, traditions, <br>
>> and bureaucracy. Lots of the latter as we know well from the <br>
>> institutions in charge of knowledge handling. Right. But nowadays <br>
>> we have a new invitee to the chaotic "Fiesta of Knowledge": AI.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > In what extent this new invitee will get free of the most <br>
>> conspicuous knowledge limitations of our individual minds? What <br>
>> kind of information flows will enter into its gut and what kind of <br>
>> new 'meanings' will be produced? Unfortunately, almost nobody is <br>
>> interested in the nuclear matter that has forced us into a Babel of <br>
>> spattering disciplines, into unending explanatory/'translatory' <br>
>> exchanges: our entrenched cognizing limitations. We prefer, and <br>
>> take refuge into, the security of the well-framed 'microscope'.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I assume this at the other extreme of logical underpinnings, <br>
>> sorry, but in my eyes it has some relation...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best--Pedro<br>
>> ><br>
>> > El 20/01/2025 a las 8:46, Louis Kauffman escribió:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > > Dear Jason,<br>
>> > > I have already answered this in some other ways, but lets try again.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Diagrams<br>
>> > > (a) A diagram is not particularly static. It could be a movie <br>
>> or an injunction to make a movie.<br>
>> > > It could be a dance or a ritual, a temple or a war.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > That is how you might view the diagrams about topology of DNA <br>
>> recombination.<br>
>> > > And it is in that mode that diagrammatic work and the <br>
>> possibility of creating a diagram from the “microword” by electron <br>
>> microscopy, led to the understandings about<br>
>> > > Knotted DNA and topological enzymes. These in turn have had an <br>
>> effect at some medical levels since if your topo enzymes do not <br>
>> work, your cells cannot divide and you die.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > <br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.excedr.com/resources/topoisomerase-overview*:*:text=In*20pharmaceuticals*2C*20topoisomerases*20are*20used,anticancer*20therapeutics*20other*20than*20chemotherapy__;I34lJSUlJSUlJSU!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UDe2a6H8b5fUHZZLowtIGpBPU_wId_81A6j7zmJZoymCIJhysfXZ1SR55-WWmtzYec2jy57-Tb5Kkl3VIKMKkxhPlhI$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.excedr.com/resources/topoisomerase-overview*:*:text=In*20pharmaceuticals*2C*20topoisomerases*20are*20used,anticancer*20therapeutics*20other*20than*20chemotherapy__;I34lJSUlJSUlJSU!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UDe2a6H8b5fUHZZLowtIGpBPU_wId_81A6j7zmJZoymCIJhysfXZ1SR55-WWmtzYec2jy57-Tb5Kkl3VIKMKkxhPlhI$</a> <br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.excedr.com/resources/topoisomerase-overview*:*:text=In*20pharmaceuticals*2C*20topoisomerases*20are*20used,anticancer*20therapeutics*20other*20than*20chemotherapy__;I34lJSUlJSUlJSU!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_ygvadEF65$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.excedr.com/resources/topoisomerase-overview*:*:text=In*20pharmaceuticals*2C*20topoisomerases*20are*20used,anticancer*20therapeutics*20other*20than*20chemotherapy__;I34lJSUlJSUlJSU!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_ygvadEF65$</a>.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > So here you have a real example of how diagrammatic topological <br>
>> mathematics is closely allied with applications that can save lives.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (b) For the design of quantum algorithms and all things quantum <br>
>> field theoretic we use diagrams quite intensively.<br>
>> > > The same is true for working out the reactions that lead to the <br>
>> bomb. So diagrams can also be used to kill en masse, as can all of <br>
>> language.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (c) Written language is a work of diagrams. Those little <br>
>> characters you string together are stylized diagrams, rather static <br>
>> by themselves. And if you live in China or Japan your<br>
>> > > Language is an incredible pastiche of diagrams.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (d) Actually all of mathematics is a pastiche of diagrams for <br>
>> all sorts of conceptual and calculational purposes.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (e) I refer you to C.S. Peirce for the role of diagrams and <br>
>> signs in thought.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (f) The greatest masters of diagrams in Cybernetics were <br>
>> Strafford Beer and Humberto Maturana. Perhaps you see some value in <br>
>> their work.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (f) The GUI that began with Mac and infiltrated PC is the<br>
>> > > diagrams of finitely nested boxes<br>
>> > > that are the basis of the distinctions and indications of LOF.<br>
>> > > LOF is about distinctions and indications.<br>
>> > > Its diagrams are just a particular representation of that.<br>
>> > > Mac uses these diagrams and never had to pay any royalties to GSB.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Religion<br>
>> > > (g) The Heart Sutra explains clearly how to use the unmarked <br>
>> state (emptiness) to solve all human problems.<br>
>> > > That it has not been applied to this end is not the fault of <br>
>> either GSB or the Buddha.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > (h) I am aware that no matter what I say,<br>
>> > > someone will complain<br>
>> > > about something<br>
>> > > that comes up for them<br>
>> > > when we get near to no-thing.<br>
>> > > That is the nature of it.<br>
>> > > Believe it or not,<br>
>> > > I am not an advocate of the absolute binary distinction.<br>
>> > > It is in contrast to what cannot be said.<br>
>> > > See the quote below that fell into my email from Malcolm Dean.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > > <br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.com/books?id=oI9hwgEACAAJ__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UDe2a6H8b5fUHZZLowtIGpBPU_wId_81A6j7zmJZoymCIJhysfXZ1SR55-WWmtzYec2jy57-Tb5Kkl3VIKMKqbrLaZY$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.com/books?id=oI9hwgEACAAJ__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UDe2a6H8b5fUHZZLowtIGpBPU_wId_81A6j7zmJZoymCIJhysfXZ1SR55-WWmtzYec2jy57-Tb5Kkl3VIKMKqbrLaZY$</a> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.com/books?id=oI9hwgEACAAJ__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_yggIa9BkE$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.com/books?id=oI9hwgEACAAJ__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_yggIa9BkE$</a> GIF by Etienne Jacob <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bleuje.com/mp4set/2019/2019_25.mp4__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_ygkOzwPOE$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bleuje.com/mp4set/2019/2019_25.mp4__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_ygkOzwPOE$</a> used to illustrate Bits forming an Information <br>
>> process.<br>
>> > > > ><br>
>> > > > > "The tentative and non-black-and-white nature of <br>
>> categorization is inevitable, and yet the act of categorization <br>
>> often feels perfectly definite and absolute to the categorizer, <br>
>> since many of our most familiar categories seem on first glance to <br>
>> have precise and sharp boundaries, and this naïve impression is <br>
>> encouraged by the fact that people’s everyday, run-of-the mill use <br>
>> of words is seldom questioned; in fact, every culture constantly, <br>
>> although tacitly, reinforces the impression that words are simply <br>
>> automatic labels that come naturally to mind and that belong <br>
>> intrinsically to things and entities. If a category has fringe <br>
>> members, they are made to seem extremely quirky and unnatural, <br>
>> suggesting that nature is really cut precisely at the joints by the <br>
>> categories that we know. The resulting illusory sense of the <br>
>> near-perfect certainty and clarity of categories gives rise to much <br>
>> confusion about categories and the mental processes that underlie <br>
>> categorization. The idea that category membership always comes in <br>
>> shades of gray rather than in just black and white runs strongly <br>
>> against ancient cultural conventionsand is therefore disorienting <br>
>> and even disturbing; accordingly, it gets swept under the rug most <br>
>> of the time."<br>
>> > > > ><br>
>> > > > ><br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > (i) Oh, and what did you think Hofstader was about?<br>
>> > > Did you think that he was bragging about the clarity and <br>
>> perfection of logic?<br>
>> > > He was telling you the story of how logic in the hands of human <br>
>> understanding<br>
>> > > slayed the Jabberwock of the completeness of formality.<br>
>> > > Don’t worry. You are not the only one who did not listen.<br>
>> > > We sell you fake word makers to do your job.<br>
>> > > And in the year of our T, you can buy cryptocurrency, watches <br>
>> and bibles from your leader.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > "It was one of those pictures <br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_yglukToEj$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VN3_KOI3NVnHHrQCUBhk-CmKe_3eXVjVC6CDnsTgT_aqTDe_YRSaOTbYTVnZXUUn-RfO2h_yglukToEj$</a> which are so contrived that the eyes follow you about when you <br>
>> move."<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Best,<br>
>> > > Lou<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
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>> <a href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a><br>
>> > Recuerde que si est� suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede <br>
>> darse de baja desde la propia aplicaci�n en el momento en que lo <br>
>> desee.<br>
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INFORMACIN SOBRE PROTECCIN DE DATOS DE CARCTER PERSONAL<br>
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Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<br>
Puede encontrar toda la informacin sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a><br>
Recuerde que si est suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicacin en el momento en que lo desee.<br>
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