<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hello to All, <div><br></div><div>in support of Lou, I attach two references that say the becoming of the world, including, presumably, human consciousness, is beyond any mathematical formulation based on set theory.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind wishes, </div><div><br></div><div>Stu</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Kauffman, S. and Roli, A. (2021) The World Is Not A Theorem” Entropy vol 23, issue 11 <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><u><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: blue;">Kauffman, S. and Roli, A. (2022), What is Consciousness? </span></u><i><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(33, 29, 30);">Biological Journal of the Linnean Society</span></i><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(33, 29, 30);">,_ _2022<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(33, 29, 30);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: rgb(33, 29, 30);"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><br></p><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 15, 2025, at 3:38 AM, Marcus Abundis <55mrcs@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default">< I am sympathetic with mathematical and formal modeling of “cognitive processes” but feel that it should be clear that formal models will not capture the whole phenomenon. ></div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default">For *myself*, while I accept an essential truth lies in this statement . . . I am ALSO inclined to think 'surrendering' prematurely is a lack of scientific imagination ('heavy lifting') – where 'science' is SUPPOSED to be in the business of continually reinventing itself. That said, I also accept that many do not see science as an actual/active creative process. For me, it is different. I think the core issue here is “cognitive processes<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> = psychology</span>”, a notoriously . . . .uhhh, I am not sure of the best word to use here, so I will just say 'difficult topic'.</div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default">And thanks for the lovely taoist imagery . . . taoism being the last word in Natural Psychology.</div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:large" class="gmail_default">Marcus</div></div></div>
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