<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Eric,<div class="">The curious thing about mathematics is that, while we do work with highly simplified and concise models, the details of our “prison” then become highly relevant.</div><div class="">For example, once we have the abstract concept of a triangle and the background of the rules for parallels in Euclidean geometry, then we can deduce the Pythagorean theorem.</div><div class="">without the concise abstraction, the Theorem cannot appear! And then the Theorem is seen to be approximated in multitudes of actual instances in the more complicated worlds </div><div class="">That partake of the abstraction.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is probably why I am fascinated by the abstraction of distinction and form in Spencer-Brown. It has its own “details” and it applies to everything/nothing.</div><div class="">The other example, I am using in this discussion is that topology as formulated for knots at our scale appears to apply to molecules at a microscale. </div><div class="">And one can speculate about topology in relation to quantum level structures as well. Patterns go across boundaries in ways that can be quite surprising.</div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Lou</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 7, 2025, at 2:26 AM, Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" class="">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Dear Lou and All,<br class="">
</p><p class="">I second your points Lou and Francesco. Abstraction and logic is
the answer to the confused and overly complicating mind. </p><p class="">The Devil is in the detail but God is in the abstract. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Best,</p><p class="">Eric<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/25 8:19 AM, Louis Kauffman
wrote:<br class="">
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Dear Francesco,
<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class="">"<span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 31, 31); color: rgb(31, 31, 31); font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 13.333333015441895px; text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class="">Precisely because reality is more complex and larger
than theory, a useful economy of thought, like mathematics, is
essential to avoid unnecessary thoughts.</span><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 31, 31);" class="">”</span></font></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><br class="">
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<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(31, 31, 31);" class="">Your sentence admirably sums up one of the
advantages of a mathematical approach.</span></font></div>
<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class="">Note that when one speaks of an “economy of
thought” it means that some thoughts are economical enough
to encompass a very wide reference and meaningfully as well.</font></div>
<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class="">This is the practical value of abstraction.</font></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class="">Best,</font></div>
<div style="text-align: justify; text-indent: 18.933332443237305px;" class=""><font color="#1f1f1f" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="2" class="">Lou</font></div>
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<div class="">On Jan 6, 2025, at 2:41 AM, Francesco Rizzo
<<a href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Cari tutti,</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">la problematica che stiamo affrontando è
fondata, come sostengo da mezzo secolo, sui valori
normali dal punto di vista
soggettivo e sui processi di tras-infomazione, più o
meno retro-attivi,
evocanti prigogineane infra-strutture che creano
ordine (neg-entropico) dal
disordine (entropico) mediante fluttuazioni.</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">La mia nuova teoria economica è basata
sul triangolo dei tre surplus neg-entropici:
termodinamici, eco-biologici e
semiotico-ermeneutici, più o meno matematici.</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Proprio, qualche settimana fa, ha visto
la luce la “Teo-umano-logia economica o economia
teo-umano-logica” (Aracne,
Roma).</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Tuttavia, sono felicemente aperto e
pronto ad apprendere cose nuove.</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Grazie, </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Francesco Rizzo, 23.10.2024, ore10.04.</span><span style="font-size:10pt" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class="">Dear
Pedro and Dear All,</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class="">Precisely
because reality is more complex and larger than
theory, a useful economy of
thought, like mathematics, is essential to avoid
unnecessary thoughts.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class="">«We
need to resize the very concept of method, finishing
building "cathedrals"
for it. Writing about evaluation does not mean being
an evaluator. Estimation
is theorized by practicing and professing it. A
manual cannot be a
"service briefcase" containing all the tools to
center a specific
reality" (Rizzo F., Economics of happiness or
unhappiness. Critical
analysis of the theory of evaluations, University of
Catania, 1977 1st ed. pp .
131-132 and 2nd ed., Arachne, Rome, 2011).</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class="">Everything
can take on topologically different forms in time
and space, therefore the
philosophy of concrete reality is unavoidable, as
Joe Brenner authoritatively
maintains.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(31,31,31)" class=""></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Francis</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""> </span></p>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class="">Caro Pedro e Cari Tutti,</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">proprio
perché la realtà è più complessa e grande della
teoria è indispensabile un’<b class=""><i class="">economia
del pensiero</i></b> utile, come la matematica,
ad evitare i pensieri non
necessari.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">«</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">Bisogna
ridimensionare lo stesso concetto di
metodo, finendo di erigergli “<b class="">cattedrali</b>”.
Scrivere di valutazione non
significa essere valutatori. L’estimo si teorizza
praticandolo e professandolo.
Un manuale non può essere una “<b class="">valigetta
di servizio</b>” contenente tutti gli
attrezzi per centrare una <b class="">realtà
specifica</b></span><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">»</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class=""> (Rizzo F.,
<i class="">Economia della
felicità o dell’infelicità. Analisi critica della
teoria delle valutazioni</i>,
Università di Catania, 1977 1</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">ᵃ
ed. pp. 131-132 e 2ᵃ ed., Aracne, Roma, 2011).</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">Ogni
cosa può assumere nel tempo e nello spazio forme
topologicamente diverse,
quindi è ineludibile la <b class="">filosofia della
realtà</b> concreta, come anche Joe
Brenner autorevolmente sostiene.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; text-align: justify; text-indent: 14.2pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class="">Francesco</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;text-align:justify;text-indent:14.2pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Times,serif" class=""> </span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 6 gen
2025 alle ore 07:57 Karl Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">(DNA
in its logical habitat 2025 01 06)</span></p>
<div class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Dear
Lou, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Your
excellent opening statement about how
the strands of the DNA are arranged and how some
physiological relations are
relevant while it duplicates, and more, are an
enlightening recapitulation of
what applied science has so far discovered.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Due
to limits of space, it is impractical
to insert your whole essay here. To cut it
short, all your <u class="">assertions</u>
are welcomed as true statements. Specifically,
thank you for the concise
formulation: </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-bottom:0cm;text-align:center;line-height:normal;background:white"><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)" class="">Mathematical
biology is concerned with <i class="">…</i>
structures
leading to recursive generation of structures
from themselves and from their
environments.</span></b></p>
<div class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Your
<u class="">questions</u>:</span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><i class="">What is the form of biology? Is
there a
biology of form?</i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Your
own definition above shows biology as a subject
of logic to be a
collection of sentences describing circular
procedures (that are themselves subject
to periodic processes) determining positions of
a limited number of diverse
elements in several dimensions in such a fashion
that both longitudinal and
transversal additions add up to such an extent
of an expression of order which
is within limits, thus one kind of reading being
a feedback and restriction set
of parameters for the other reading. The concept
‘Order’ denotes sentences that
are statements concurrently true about the
properties of an element and its
position among its peers. </span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><i class="">The relationship with phenomenology
comes
about in the <u class="">questions</u> that
arise about the nature of the observer in
relation to the observed that arise in
philosophy, but also in science in the
very act of determining the context and
models upon which it shall be based. </i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">New
in the 21<sup class="">st</sup> century is that
we have now access to tabulating machines that
show us every possible way of combining
and recombining the relatively few diverse
elements that are the logical
building blocks of our picture of biology. If we
understand the nature of the
structural bias* that separates a human observer
from a mechanical observer, and
manage to eliminate the effects of the artefact,
there is no need to complicate
the observation of the self-referencing
interdependence by investigating
whether the observer is a human, an alien or a
machine. (* Cortex imagines
using one, Sumerian <b class="">N, </b>the
underlying neurology uses <b class="">N<sub class="">similarities</sub>,
N<sub class="">diversities</sub></b> which is
the correct way within the
habitat.)</span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><i class=""><b class="">What is a part that a world might
be built
from it?</b></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Why
don’t we try to use the symbols <i class="">a,
b </i>to depict two otherwise unknown
entities that through their interactions create
structures that can be read
horizontally, vertically, etc.?</span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><i class="">The comparison made, what questions
do you
ask? … What are the physical/biological
roots of the DNA replication?</i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">This
here group of learned friends has no
access to and no knowledge to operate the
apparats applied science uses. Our
task is to understand the data processing
procedures that make a linear pointer
fragment into an array of search criteria.</span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><i class="">One wants to know how far a
world-view can
be extended before it disintegrates.</i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">There
is a very prosaic answer to that. Once
one starts investigating how more than 137.03
idealized distinct elements
interact, one has left reality as we refer to it
in the context of biology. Nature
has caught a very small little opportunity where
the number of elements, how
these elements are similar among each other and
how these elements are diverse
among each other shows a slight
discongruence-based variability. Nature has
delineated
a number theoretical habitat (a Nirvana for
logical primitives /© M. Abundis/).
Let us name it the Eddington habitat. Within it,
objects can be referenced both
sequentially and categorically. </span></p><p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><i class="">Temporality may look like a tragedy
for the
classical mathematics, but it is exactly
what interests us when studying
biology.</i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Exactly.
There are several clocks running within
each living animal, these are coordinated and
synchronized (if all goes well)
by the Metronome of that individual organism.
The metronomes of the organisms should
better be aligned, being subject to a pressure
of evolution, with the
periodicity that blesses and torments the
habitat (like the periodicities of
Moon, Earth, Sun affect our real existing
Nirvana).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">The
temporal aspect is useful in
establishing the metronome that is valid within
the habitat. In whichever way
we rotate <i class="">a + b = c </i>the
longest cycle
we find is 129 long. This is practical, because
in the grand context of things,
both that is true for either 32 or 97 (two of
the Zaragoza constants, where <i class="">n? ~
n!)</i>, needs to be true also if both
are the case. The metronome cycle is a half-twin
of the folding cycle which is
128 elements long. There are only 122 elements
that are included in both. There
exists – in a logical-objective reality – an
individuating tick along a counting
of recurrent states of the metronome that refers
to both temporal and spatial
coordinates of an occurrence. Iterations are
unavoidable. There exist structural
and interlude cycles that maintain the overall
tact locally congruent during
iteration.</span></p>
<div class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><b class="">To close</b>, let me add a parable
about an old
man coming back from fishing and a young fashion
influencer at the imperial
court. They both miss something that has not
survived contact with reality: the
old man the flesh of his merlin, and the young
girl the clothes of the emperor.
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">They both agree</span></u><span lang="EN-US" class=""> that the learned and
respected tailors of the emperor have problems
stitching clothes together out of pieces that
are serrated differently. <br class="">
<u class="">The young girl says</u>: had the
right honorable learned tailors not used
the big scissors first to cut out units that can
be stitched together, but had
used the appropriate small scissors to prepare
parts that will fit together
into a suit, they would have incurred the
opportunity costs of not producing
economically with identical units and pay the
running costs of maintaining a
complicated catalogue of which cuts fit together
with which cuts, but would
gain the benefits of having a variant of suits
that really adapt to the Emperor’s
everchanging body. <br class="">
<u class="">To which the old man says</u>, yes
there are costs to generalizing. As they
use the big scissors to establish <i class="">a
+ b =
c </i>they disregard the snippets that fall
off as both of <i class="">a, b </i>suffers
being robbed of their individuality as <i class="">a resp. b</i>. These are distances
that get
unaccounted for in the intuitive, generalized,
practical Sumerian way of cutting
the cloth of continuity. The Accadians, may they
rest in peace, collected these
different snippets and had built their own
ideology based on them. The present
day learned tailors point to various
part-entities that they give different
names to and would never want to look under the
carpet of generalization into <i class="">c </i>where
they had swept the snippets of
the particularities of <i class="">a, b.</i>
The
snippets are arrays of distances that accumulate
over the history of the
elements involved and in the grand ledger. You
cannot make particularities
disappear just by not wanting to see them,
concentrating on the general forms
of particularities. It will blow up in your face
if you manipulate the accounting
to make arrays of distances go away, for
reasons of ease and practicability of
accounting. <br class="">
<u class="">The young girl says: </u>One should
alert the tailors that they are horsing
around with snippets they themselves have
generated.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The old man says: </span></u><span lang="EN-US" class="">Do that and see what
happens to your social reputation. Tales will
be written about you.</span></p>
<div class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Thank
you again for bringing us up to the
present state of knowledge in the wet sciences
and for posing the right
questions on the solvable riddle, what such an
assembly would look like, in
which coincidences and occurrences were indexed
in several aspects
concurrently.</span></p>
<div class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Karl</span></p>
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