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<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Happy New Year and let it be a peaceful year!</p>
<p>But intellectual peace can lead to boredom, so let's get into
some conflicts of ideas. <br>
</p>
<p>Joseph, you or Leibniiz are getting at a fundamental problem in
how quantum computation on set of possible states which if they
were real of miminal Planck size would take up more space than is
available in the Universe. So they cannot be real in the sense of
taking up space. If not spatially real can they be temporally
real? Or will it take more time than the age of the universe to
operate on those possibilities? If so then they are not temporally
real. <br>
</p>
<p>Thomas and Karl: In terms of meaning in the real world of humans
and animals meaning seem to be relative to the subject-agent when
messages act on and transform the representational state of the
agent-receiver-subject be it his or her information state,
intentional state or evaluate-emotional state. </p>
<p>In effect, one might call these levels of ontology where
information is relative to the level of ontology of the
observer-agent. The information at one level of ontology can be
independent of the information at a lower or higher level of
ontology. In other words, reductionism does not seem to hold for
ontological levels. The composition of a thing is somewhat if not
totally independent of its form. <br>
</p>
<p>So to the process of arithmetic can be different from the result.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Eric<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/1/25 4:13 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> wrote:<br>
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<div> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Thomas and All,</span>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Happy
New Year!</span> </div>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">I
apologize to Pedro and Krassimir for coming back to the
Jason/Thomas dialogue but I believe the following point is a
critical one:</span> </div>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thomas
wrote:</span> </div>
<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">These
quantum structures with a two-dimensional Hilbert space are to
be thought of as absolute and completely abstract, not as
properties <br>
of a material or energetic structure. I call them AQIs. The
AQIs form matter, energy, as well as the properties of matter
and energy.</span> </div>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">It it
seems to me this position runs into a Leibniz "bind": if AQI's
are completely abstract, how can they form anything, let alone
matter/energy with which they do not share properties? To the
extent that quanta are quanta of energy, is it then correct to
call them AQI's? In your response to Jason, you make it clear
that this is not the case. The AQI's are units of action, but
my comment still holds.</span> </div>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">The
only solution I see is to adopt a principle that All have
never explicitly accepted, namely that, AQI's are and are not
abstract; they exist and do not exist at the same time.
Understood in this way, they could form a basis for reality
and its non-Boolean logic, now with apologies to Louis.</span>
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<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank
you anyway,</span> </div>
<div class="default-style"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Joseph</span>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"> Dear Dr.
Goernitz, </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"> Can AQI
exist independently from its context - or some larger
structure (matter or energy)? By "exist," I mean stability
with a relevant longer time. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"> By
"longer time," I mean in the range of human perception, even
with the help of cognitive instruments. Just curious. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"> Best
regards - Jason </div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr"> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at
2:00 AM Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz <<a
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<blockquote> Dear All, <br>
I would like to start by wishing everyone a healthy,
successful and <br>
hopefully more peaceful new year. <br>
<br>
Now a few comments from me on the current contributions,
regarding <br>
information and meaning. <br>
<br>
Natural science seeks rules and laws for the processes in
nature. <br>
However, due to the expansion of the cosmos, there are never
two <br>
completely identical situations. For an individual case,
however, the <br>
idea of a rule is meaningless. <br>
<br>
Rules require similarity, laws require – not only in
jurisprudence – equality. <br>
<br>
Similarity and equality arise from sweeping what appears to
be <br>
insignificant in the situations under consideration under
the carpet. <br>
Changes to inanimate matter require the expenditure of
energy, but <br>
living things can also be influenced by meaningful
information. <br>
<br>
Scientific explanation starts from simple structures to
explain <br>
complicated structures. <br>
Chemistry explains the biochemical basis of life. Quantum
mechanics <br>
provides the theoretical basis for chemistry. <br>
<br>
The simplest quantum structures that are mathematically
possible have <br>
only a two-dimensional state space. It therefore makes sense
to call <br>
them quantum bits. <br>
The particles of quantum mechanics and, with that, the
quantum field <br>
theories can be constructed from these structures. <br>
This means that matter can be understood as a special form
of such <br>
quantum bits. <br>
<br>
It has been known for some time that quantum theory
relativizes <br>
distinctions that are important for everyday life. E=mc^2
shows the <br>
equivalence of matter with motion, i.e. with one of its
properties. <br>
The distinction between force and matter is reduced to the
distinction <br>
between fermions and bosons, which can be converted into one
another <br>
under certain conditions. <br>
<br>
These quantum structures with a two-dimensional Hilbert
space are to <br>
be thought of as absolute and completely abstract, not as
properties <br>
of a material or energetic structure. I call them AQIs. <br>
<br>
The AQIs form matter, energy, as well as the properties of
matter and energy. <br>
<br>
Life only emerged relatively late in the development of the
cosmos, <br>
and only for living things can something become meaningful.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting Karl Javorszky <<a
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rel="noopener" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>>:
<br>
<br>
> Again, one wonders. <br>
> <br>
> Marcus writes: <br>
> you also invoke ‘meaning’ which is notoriously
difficult to define – where <br>
> do you clearly define meaning? <br>
> <br>
> There is a perfectly valid definition of meaning
available for all who <br>
> have access to the FIS list. <br>
> <br>
> The last time this définition was shared with the
Learned Friends was 21 <br>
> days ago, 9th December 2024, in a letter to Xueshan. <br>
> <br>
> *Information has been defined (eg Liaisons Among
Symbols) as the totality <br>
> of ∆ (n?, n!).* <br>
> <br>
> *Meaning has been defined (op. cit.) as the relation of
a context to at <br>
> least one of the Central Elements.* <br>
<br>
<br>
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