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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ZH-CN link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Dear Krassimir,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:22.0pt;line-height:16.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I am pleased to see you have created a new agenda that goes beyond the definition of information. The “5 Clouds” may not encompass all the obstacles hindering the progress of fundamental information science, but if we can address most of them, we will have a significant improvement in our future.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:22.0pt;line-height:16.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Currently, there is a difficulty in establishing dialogue between researchers in professional information science and fundamental information science. The former always asks, "What is information science?" The latter always answers: "Information is something."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:22.0pt;line-height:16.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Alright, it's time to conclude this discussion. Let’s take a few days off and get ready to read Pedro’s 2025 New Year lecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Xueshan</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krassimir Markov<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 21, 2024 8:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> fis <fis@listas.unizar.es><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Xueshan,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks for the detailed answer.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I will add that just as mathematics develops as (theoretical) mathematics and applied mathematics in different areas of practice, so too does information science develop as (theoretical) information science and applied information science in different areas of reality. Computer Science and Informatics develop as extensions of information science, directly related to the practice and implementation of machines for operating with data and knowledge.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Therefore, I think it is justified to talk about:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>- information science and </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>studies</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>;</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>- applied information science and </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>studies</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have a proposal for the subject and foundations of this science, but now is not the time to start such a discussion. Perhaps I will first publish concise texts that will be available for discussion.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Christophe,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of course, as </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>it is </span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> pointed out in 2017 in our joint paper from the FIS discussion, information is data with meaning, i.e.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>information = data + meaning</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Let's do a little transformation and transfer the "meaning" to the other side. We get:</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>information - meaning = data</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Since data are reflections in the receptors of the subject, we can say that</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>information - meaning = reflection, in a particular case = data.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This consideration allows us to say that all developments and definitions based on "information without meaning" refer to reflections, in particular - data, and do not concern the information with which subjects operate. In fact, they all rediscover or further develop parts of the Theory of Reflections.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Gordana,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I think I gave in my response to Xueshan above the answer to your question "What do we want the study of information to be?"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My answer to your other question, “Can we live with a plurality of notions of information?", is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>- Yes, we can live with multiple definitions of information, but in fact there are not that many. In addition, some definitions define something else, but not the concept of "information", as we saw above. I will note, however, that it is difficult to find the methodological and factual shortcomings of the proposed new definitions, and this helps them to swarm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>For example, r</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>egarding the publication of Stu Kaufman and Andrea Rolli, I will </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>remember</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> that I see in </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>it</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> a serious methodological flaw.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I also argue " that no mathematics based on set theory can be used to deduce the diachronic emergence of adaptations in evolution". But this does not mean " that there can be no Final Theory that entails the becoming of the universe". Simply because modern mathematics has given us other tools, on the one hand, and on the other, there are a number of simulation approaches and systems that allow modeling these processes. </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In addition</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>, we must remember that models are not reality itself, but its partial reflection, and therefore we cannot recreate reality through models, but we can externalize some of our ideas about it</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>, creating corresponded models </span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>and thus make them available to other scientists who can continue further.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>But if we have no ideas, what do we expect our models to contain? This is exactly the case with the "becoming of the universe".</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If no one has any idea, why is a model expected to reveal this on its own</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear colleagues,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We are on the threshold of the New Year 2025.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Moreover, today, 21.12.2024, is the transition day to the New Bulgarian Year 7530, which starts tomorrow (</span><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/bgkalendar.com/?lang=en__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Q558tG6NM4auOvNpkSnhaG3WcaPF6oRTBzEUTby2ES5aHlHvv1AO6zKAOKCxCClqC5zRL243b5927vzUsnE$"><span lang=EN-US>https://bgkalendar.com/?lang=en</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>As the holiday season approaches, I want to express my warmest wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. May these holidays bring you peace, happiness and the opportunity to reflect on the successes and challenges of the past year. May the New Year 2025 be filled with groundbreaking discoveries, inspiring collaborations, and continued growth in all your scientific endeavors.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Merry Holidays and a Happy New Year!</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Warmest regards,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=BG style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krassimir</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><img border=0 width=167 height=167 style='width:1.7395in;height:1.7395in' id="图片_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DB5552.EB98F1F0"></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=4 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Q558tG6NM4auOvNpkSnhaG3WcaPF6oRTBzEUTby2ES5aHlHvv1AO6zKAOKCxCClqC5zRL243b592GpHeRg0$" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 style='width:.4791in;height:.302in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virus-free.<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Q558tG6NM4auOvNpkSnhaG3WcaPF6oRTBzEUTby2ES5aHlHvv1AO6zKAOKCxCClqC5zRL243b592GpHeRg0$" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>