<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Some interesting exchanges, I offer a few thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Further to Gordana’s note, below I forward a reply I got from Jose Maria when I first raised the question about BITrum. Yes, it still exists but in expanded form and with a new name. Read below. Jose Maria, might you consider making an FIS post saying a bit more about this project?</div><div><br></div><div>Since first joining FIS and IS4SI (2015) this issue of ‘defining information’ (etc.) has been a very sore point and extraordinarily chronic – to the point of even inspiring too many odd/unhelpful/egoic insults and attacks. But the FACT has remained this issue MUST BE ADDRESSED if real progress is to be made . . . where we have a group called FIS and after (25+ years?) of extended exchanges we find no real clarity (re current debate). The one thing FIS has perhaps clearly proven is it is unsuited to addressing this matter. Okay, so if defining information is NOT to be discussed here, How shall we proceed?</div><div><br></div><div>I find Krassimir’s suggestion for a new venue encouraging, but then he offers no real detail on how that venue would work and how it might (differently) lead to a useful result. I would be reluctant to just proceed without caution, to find the same result after another 25years. What must be produced is a clear and balanced taxonomy AND pedagogy that supports further (deepening) advances and NOT merely more debate! AND we need a truly UNIVERSAL approach, NOT a view catering to anyone’s personal bias!</div><div><br></div><div>My opinion is that this goal might be best pursued by 2-3? committed (BEST QUALIFIED, non-egoic ‘fair witnesses’) individuals most likely equal to the task- perhaps working on a collaborative online document . . . which can be later presented and STILL be debated on FIS for future refinement. I expect a few iterations might be needed. The topic itself is too difficult AND VITAL to be addressed by the entire FIS group all at once, I think.</div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Marcus Abundis<div>55mrcs@gmail.com (best: email, chat, vid conf)</div><div>+1 538-388-5576 (2nd best: U. S. voicemail)</div>+41 62 844 21 93 (3rd best: Swiss home)</div><div dir="ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> José María Díaz Nafría <josemaria.diaz.n@udima.es><br><b>Date:</b> December 11, 2024 at 11:19:10 AM GMT+1<br><b>To:</b> Marcus Abundis <55mrcs@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> "Pedro C. Marijuán" <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com>, fis@listas.unizar.es, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>[Fis] Five Clouds over Fundamental Information Science.Information and Computation</b><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear Marcus,<div><br></div><div>Yes, the project is still alive, though in the form of glossaLAB: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.glossalab.org__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UZsi1BpabgnCkU1vApyKu-td0qoj6fiKK5yWlCrUzsDJzTr3z_-cEfuNbOLzXYbOuglONw_sH3lCgQq5$">https://www.glossalab.org</a>. What we are doing is declared on the main page of the public platform. In the backyard, we're working on a development system in which we are setting up a federated system of interdisciplinary glossaries and encyclopedic corpora, annotated semantically. The most important corpora are the ones referred to on the main page. The articles abstracted on the webpage, whose URL you shared, talk about the project we are currently involved in.</div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div>JM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 11 dic 2024 a las 2:02, Marcus Abundis (<<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Pedro, Krassimir,<div><br></div><div>Wasn’t there a BITrum project that was started a while back with that same purpose? Is that project still alive?<div><br></div><div><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bitrumcontributions.wordpress.com/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UZsi1BpabgnCkU1vApyKu-td0qoj6fiKK5yWlCrUzsDJzTr3z_-cEfuNbOLzXYbOuglONw_sHzR3AtD3$" target="_blank">https://bitrumcontributions.wordpress.com/</a><br><div><br id="m_-8822355235961842099lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Marcus Abundis<div><a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank">55mrcs@gmail.com</a> (best: email, chat, vid conf)</div><div>+1 538-388-5576 (2nd best: U. S. voicemail)</div>+41 62 844 21 93 (3rd best: Swiss home)</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 10, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Pedro C. Marijuán <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Krassimir,</div>
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<div>With all respect to your initiative I
do not find it suitable for FIS list. Hundreds of definitions of
information have been coined (ten or twenty years ago I remind the
counting was something like 500 ones). So, another compilation
becomes more of the same, insisting on a sterile direction in my
opinion. If recording or copyright matter, sure you can have other
solutions than the FIS list --ITHEA journals or other webs.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>--Pedro</div>
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