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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ZH-CN link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Dear Krassimir,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:22.0pt;line-height:16.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>No, I do not have my own definition of information, although I have thoroughly studied over the 150 existing information definitions. I accept the existing definitions of information, sign, and substrate as found in dictionaries, regardless of whether they are provisional or definitive. My primary concern is this: if we bypass the definition of information and move forward, what else can we achieve? Pedro has set a precedent for us by attempting to generalize certain principles of information science in this context a few years ago. Linguistics and genetics were also developed without a precise definition of "meaning" and "gene." My proposal for "inforware" is likewise an attempt to transcend the traditional definitions of information. It is our collective responsibility—yours, mine, and that of our FIS colleagues—to break the current stagnation in FIS with a transcendent approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:22.0pt;line-height:16.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Frege's triangle was introduced in a time when the concept of information was not widely recognized. If he were alive today, it is likely that he would incorporate information into this triangle. Part of our research on information aims to achieve this integration. Currently, the concept of "inforware" remains superficial and cannot be compared to the depth of Frege's triangle.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:12.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:1.0gd'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Xueshan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krassimir Markov<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 12:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> fis <fis@listas.unizar.es><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] Five Clouds over Fundamental Information Science<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Xueshan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1. In order to clearly understand your definition of the concept of "Inforware", I need to know your definition of the concept of "information". Please provide it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2. You wrote: Inforware: Information must exist in signs, and signs must exist on substrates. We define a trinity composed of information, sign, and substrate as Inforware.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Please answer what is the difference between your definition and Gottlob Frege's triangle (please see below)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Krassimir<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><img width=435 height=372 style='width:4.5312in;height:3.875in' id="图片_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DB47FC.D98340F0"></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=4 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Xh3UZbgPi2jFMvaD379-8f9QOMJHJ8Kk3GjMlbQMdOTuuAuLlWpedR-Z2B2WQCDprw38Lsxi6XhslESDRhI$" target="_blank"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 style='width:.4791in;height:.302in' id="图片_x0020_2" src="cid:~WRD0000.jpg" alt="图像已被发件人删除。"></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virus-free.<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Xh3UZbgPi2jFMvaD379-8f9QOMJHJ8Kk3GjMlbQMdOTuuAuLlWpedR-Z2B2WQCDprw38Lsxi6XhslESDRhI$" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>