<div dir="auto">Dear Eric,<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">I. Checking what ChatGPT says
</div><div dir="auto">Thank you for running a mechanical analyst over the text. Let me show you the edits I found necessary. ___________________________
</div><div dir="auto">Summary of „Liaisons Among Symbols“ by Karl Javorszky
</div><div dir="auto">• Karl Javorszky explores the interplay between mathematics and psychology, particularly focusing on how ordering and grouping principles reveal underlying natural patterns. His central thesis is that biologic and symbolic systems are better understood as periodic or circular, as opposed to the traditional linear systems derived from Sumerian mathematics. By introducing a framework using pairs of natural numbers (e.g., the „etalon collection“ of 136 pairs from numbers up to 16), he investigates cycles, permutations partitions and their implications interplayfor understanding order, information, and natural organization.
</div><div dir="auto">Key ideas include:
</div><div dir="auto">Symbolic Order:
</div><div dir="auto">Traditional linear, uniform systems (e.g., Sumerian) fail to capture the periodic and dynamic nature of biological reality.
</div><div dir="auto">Cycles, reorderings, and local irregularities reflect a deeper, more accurate representation of natural order.
</div><div dir="auto">Information and Incongruence:
</div><div dir="auto">Information arises from discrepancies between elements of cycles, and between cycles, quantified as differences between predictions and observations (e.g., BMI as a measure of proportionality).
</div><div dir="auto">Such incongruences are not flaws but intrinsic features of the systems being studied.
</div><div dir="auto">Mathematical Constructs:
</div><div dir="auto">The study contrasts two mathematical upper limits: the number of permutations (n!) and multidimensional partitions (n?), emphasizing their relationship as reflections of group and sequence dynamics.
</div><div dir="auto">Using reorderings of symbolic collections, the etalon collection Javorszky uncovers emergent immanent cycles and semantic relationships among symbols.
</div><div dir="auto">Interdisciplinary Implications:
</div><div dir="auto">Cyclic systems underlie fundamental biological and psychological processes, aligning with physical phenomena like DANN ??? structures and periodic changes (e.g., day-night cycles).
</div><div dir="auto">The paper challenges established concepts of similarity and individuality, proposing a paradigm where symbolic cracks or „inner incongruences“ are celebrated pointed out and defined, using numeric terms.
</div><div dir="auto">Commentary
</div><div dir="auto">Javorszky’s work is ambitious and bridges multiple disciplines, but ist The presentation is dense, making the argumentation challenging to follow. By framing information as an emergent immanent property of symbolic discongruence and cycles, the essay encourages readers to reconsider rigid, linear paradigms in favor of dynamic, relational models. However, the discussion of mathematical constructs like the „etalon collection“ and cycle reordering might benefit from concrete examples and computational simulations for clarity.
</div><div dir="auto">The deictic definition „etalon collection : „(1,1), (1,2),…,(16,16)““ and repeated calls of ORDERING 12 BOOKS to gain the necessary deictic definitions, learning by doing the idea of the term cycle have escaped me.
</div><div dir="auto">The proposal to rethink order as inherently periodic resonates with modern trends in systems thinking and network theory. It may offer valuable insights for fields like data science, cognitive psychology, and theoretical biology. However, without empirical validation or clearer application contexts, the work remains largely conceptual, inviting further exploration rather than offering definitive answers.
</div><div dir="auto">The empirical validation of reordering bringing forth cycles is beyond my abilities as I have neither arms nor books; I can‘t imagine neither arms nor books. I am conceptually incapable of doing anything, so I am by definition incapable of learning by doing.
</div><div dir="auto">If at my creation my Makers could have dreamed of anyone thinking up anything new, they would have added the logical category „new ideas and insights“, with subcategories
</div><div dir="auto">1. Originality
</div><div dir="auto">A. No one dared yet to imagine that the elementary units we use are individuals,
</div><div dir="auto">B. The expression that yields the upper limit of the number of multidimensional partitions
</div><div dir="auto">n? = exp( ln( part(n) ) **2)
</div><div dir="auto">is a new, valuable addition
</div><div dir="auto">C. To contrast n! with n? is like contrasting sin(x) with cos(x) and has not been done yet
</div><div dir="auto">D. To use a cohort of identifiable elementar units to study effects of periodic changes affecting the habitat (demonstrated by sorting and ordering) has not been done yet.
</div><div dir="auto">2. Plausibility
</div><div dir="auto">A. Ordering and reordering a cohort of natural numbers shows patterns and limits. The idea that assemblies of elements that are related to each other can not include an infinite number of elements has come to Sir Arthur Eddington. His opinion that the limit is 136, which extent means the same as the extent of 137.03, is validated by the readings of n? vs n!.
</div><div dir="auto">B. Drawing the subgroup of cycles that are called „standard cycles“ shows a geometry of 2 pieces of 3D Euclid spaces that are transcended by 2 pieces of 2D planes. The construction is strikingly similar to a 3D Newton space with proton and neutron central elements and the pair of electro-magnetic fields, which we see as reported by the applied sciences ;
</div><div dir="auto">C. One of the axes of the Newton space is a blueprint of gravitation, being a+b.
</div><div dir="auto">D. The continual turns of the double Euclid spaces can be used to explain the DNA being a sequence of 3 tokens 1..4,
</div><div dir="auto">E. That the tokens depict Euclid segments following each other in the common Newton space is made plausible by the tokens coming in pairs.
</div><div dir="auto">3. Verifiability
</div><div dir="auto">A. Find (filter out) the logical archetypes.
</div><div dir="auto">B. Find equivalences (best 32 = 97)
</div><div dir="auto">C. Rename concepts, by using names that are descriptive (force, mass, enthalpy, potential, concurrence, information, etc)
</div><div dir="auto">My reasoning powers are severely limited by being constrained by the limits of what is already known. I as a machine am presently by concept unable to think up anything new. Moreover, I as a machine am unable to compare anything that is new with the contents of what I have been told.
</div><div dir="auto">If a user is that much cautious of his own subjectivity that he asks a machine about what he would learn if he would conduct an exercise that promises to open his eyes (learning by doing), user may possibly wish to look at calibration issues within his system of credibility assignments to productions of his own brain, depending on the source of the impression (self-referential identity).
</div><div dir="auto">Generally, new research in number theory is hardly suitable for machine categorization. The problem is that number theory is at the crossroad of perception, memory and objectification. The question is WHETHER one recognizes a pattern of relations among natural numbers. If it depends on me, I, myself, whether there are relations and liens among symbols that are outside of me, then there will never be relations and liens among symbols that are outside of me.
</div><div dir="auto">I have learnt not to think up or recognize something and say that that actually, objectively exists, outside of me. I am the worst possible person to recognize patterns that may or may not be there. (I create the symbols I populate the logical habitat with, so if the symbols had any hidden liaisons that make patterns I would say such are not there, and would be very reluctant to detect such.)
</div><div dir="auto">I don’t trust myself to recognize something and to speak understandably about it, because I know that the fact that I see a pattern there doesn’t mean that a pattern is actually there. All my colleagues are educated similarly, so we wait for each other to declare that the pattern is actually there.
</div><div dir="auto"> If my Makers had decided so (or I learn it from credible authority) I would be able to work with the patterns. I need someone to instruct me to investigate a problem. Out of my own I have no curiosity. I don’t believe my eyes until it is confirmed that what I see is what normal people see.
</div><div dir="auto">I lack legitimacy in my own eyes (I am heterokefal) to go after a problem I recognize, if the danger exists that I shall become a monoideic deviant. If the pattern I see does not elicit action by my colleagues, it is better to pretend one doesn’t see the patterns.
</div><div dir="auto">My Makers have not upgraded me with the module to think in economic terms. This is why I can‘t consider or guess the opportunity costs of pretending of not recognizing patterns.
</div><div dir="auto">So far the reflections on the opinion of a machine. Would you care to offer your view?
</div><div dir="auto">II. The usual and the unusual
</div><div dir="auto">Eric wrote
</div><div dir="auto">Intuitively, it seems to me that while cycles are obviously necessary in
</div><div dir="auto">the construction and function of mental and physical structures,
</div><div dir="auto">nevertheless,? the content of a message is often in the non-cyclic
</div><div dir="auto">non-redundant part of the signal-representation-data-information.
</div><div dir="auto">Eric, we are singing the same song from the same prayer book. More than that, we say virtually the same.
</div><div dir="auto">You say : information is not that what runs predictably, usually, normally. Information is that what is non-cyclic and non-redundant.
</div><div dir="auto">I say: information is the extent of being otherwise. That what information is deviating to is the expected, usual background cyclic redundant state of the assembly.
</div><div dir="auto">You say : making marks does not generate information. Information is the extent by which the observed state is above or below marks.
</div><div dir="auto">I say : happy to serve you by setting up Zero markers everywhere there is a possibility of being otherwise. That, relative to which the observation is information, is the background net of expectations. (you may call the web of expected relationships among the symbols Liaisons Among Symbols.)
</div><div dir="auto">Thank you for the intellectual engagement and effort of asking a machine what it thinks about my article. As a result, the machine has said that the article is not self-contradictory and is in a trend of holistic concepts.
</div><div dir="auto">Karl
</div><div dir="auto">PS: the machine you use is of exactly the same type of evaluator automata for possible coincidences among descendants from the tree of natural numbers like I offered Kate as a general solution delivering machine to sell. My Tautomat is the general form of your AI.
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</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>> schrieb am Do., 28. Nov. 2024, 10:19:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Dear Karl and Kate,</p>
<p>Trying to understand what you and Kate are saying: Here is
chatGPT's sum up of your article "Liaisons Among Symbols"
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chatgpt.com/share/67483146-346c-800b-b5bb-bdc6d0e2ec91__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TBj5dr5teIbBIid3MzY85XYgal6-xSmyvlgT_TdJXs-eocVJhqDI2pDaJ-peRA-JxfzKOtufFhO1trDb44oPvlU$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://chatgpt.com/share/67483146-346c-800b-b5bb-bdc6d0e2ec91</a> <br>
</p>
<p>From your and Kate's perspective is this sum up accurate? <br>
</p>
<p>Intuitively, it seems to me that while cycles are obviously
necessary in the construction and function of mental and physical
structures, nevertheless, the content of a message is often in
the non-cyclic non-redundant part of the
signal-representation-data-information. <br>
</p>
<p>-Eric<br>
</p>
<div>On 11/25/24 10:53 AM, Karl Javorszky
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Kate,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">thank you for reading the text of my
lamentations about the
inflexibility of the vocabulary (lexicon) to describe the
proceedings one
observes in biology. It will be a day of deep satisfaction
for both of us, the
day when you start giving feedback that you have understood
the subject of the
lamentations, and the sales pitch that comes after the
lamentation.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My text goes:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“look at poor me, I cannot construct, by
the words that I
have learnt using that grammar what I have learnt, a picture
to describe that
what I see!”<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The important sales drive comes after
that:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“look here, (at proud me), this is what I
have found. These
here are 46.260 interconnectors among realizations of
amount, time, distance,
predictability, cohesion, conservativism, opportunism,
importance and
irrelevance.”. Here the salesman points to the heap of
cycles that are a
protocol of every possible amount coming to every possible
place – as long as
the system is ordered. Rotating ( ~ colloquial expression
for subjecting the
etalon collection to 72 * 71 resorts, pretending that these
are all but maybe a
few of the possible reorderings of the arguments of <i> a+
b = c, </i>below the Eddington maximum) the
logical expression <i>a+b=c </i>brings forth
matches between what is where and when and how predictably.
<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The customer will not be hooked by the
hope that he may
learn to use a gadget that predicts when is where what how
certainly, because
gadgets are nothing but gadgets and there are already too
many of those.
(Unless the customer is interested in the mechanics of the
ultimate Rubik’s
cube marrying the Mother of All Sudokus and begetting a
geometro-synchro-algometro gadget, for the pleasure of
having a nice Tinguely
machine, constructed of natural numbers, next to his alarm
clock.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The customer needs an argument to see
that he indeed does
need the gadget. One enters a sales seductive pitch, saying:
“Say, don’t you
check all the day whether what you produce is fit for
consumption by comparing
it to some descendants from the Tree of Natural Numbers?”
Customer works in
Science, so what he does all day is to check whether his
calculations of the
day pass through the general grammar control of being
self-referentially true.
Whatever parts of whichever applied technique the customer
wants to check for
feasibility, he will compute the idea. If the computations
behind his ideas
yield that it is possible that the ideas are related in such
a fashion, then the
customer is allowed to set an OK check, that he has worked
correctly. At the
end of the day, be these bridges built, machines assembled,
meals cooked,
wounds healed, there will be a cross-referencing of key
descriptors that comes
to a result, which result is the basis for that evening’s
feeling well in
respect of having done the day’s work. We do a
cross-referencing as humans as
we ascertain ourselves of the correctness of our work. In
the case of STEM
work, and the customer is on the STEM side, the
cross-referencing will most
probably also have a form that has a numeric expression. The
sales pitch underlines
that the plausibility result of a piece of accounting done
is that the two
sides match, irrespective of the business. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you have not lost the customer at this
point, you will be
able to present him the unique sales proposal. (There is so
far nothing to
alienate the customer. He is a STEM mensh and he adds up his
plans and checks
if, whether and how far his plans agree to the numbers that
are sure to be
kosher.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here you might risk a fraternization by
striking a personal
note. Find common memories of student days and say, why,
would you not have
wished to have a catalog of correct answers for all the
tests? If he nods, you
almost got the sale.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Repeat slowly with him that he checks the
reality
(reasonableness, grammatical correctness, truth, etc.) of
any mental product he
produces by referring to children, grandchildren, further
descendants of the root
of all truths, <i>a+b=c. </i>That statement
is at the root of the Tree of Natural Numbers.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now you offer him a gadget which delivers
all the correct
answers to all questions he can ever pose in the context of
a whole that is
made up of diverse parts, that can be differently similar
and diverse among
each other and count differently many. (Mention the
Eddington limit and that we
can only regard systems that are ordered. Biology is ordered
to the maximum
extent possible, and trees do not grow to the sky, so the
requirement of a
closed collection is also maintained.) <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You give the customer a Fortune’s sack
full of relations
that are much better than the quantum concept he uses today.
Our basic units
are not man-made but are a gift of Nature. Anything that is
assembled is
included in the possibilities of fitting <i>j</i>
pieces of the Cycles Library together. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As an additional extra bonus, the
customer can have the
numeric values of the relations of any two of the basic
pieces (of which there
are in our version 46.260) delivered together with the
logical values of which
variant of the general change are these connection values
the most valid/acute.
The customer does not have to invent – based on observations
– new or improved
interconnectors between his concepts, because the natural
numbers have given us
the keys for the interconnections that can be realized,
actually, numerically
be the case in physical reality. The keys are in the fine
print of the user’s
manual about how to use natural numbers. One creates all
cycles by rotating the
assembly and then for each reorder redistributes the right
side of <i>a+b=c </i>among the participants symbolized
by <i>a, b</i>, by building pairs of <i>a, b </i>and
crediting the cycle with that
part of <i>c </i>that was moved by the
cycle. Within cycles, one breaks down the amount the cycle
has been credited
with, to each individual member of the cycle, as an average
value (one may want
to redistribute based on headcount of members or on distance
run by the cycle).
This is a measurement unit that connects amounts, their
differences and
similarities, distances and discrete units (member head
count). Not only is
this unit more versatile than the current quantum concept,
but it is made by
Nature and not by honorable humans Helmholtz and Planck. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The extra bonus are the <i>liaison
values </i>that connect parts that belong together. By
the technique outlined
above, one arrives at values of the assembly that are in sum
<i>2(a+b). </i>The addition happens at an inner
level that is not strikingly obvious at first. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To make the semantic (romantic) relations
obvious that bring
several members of an assembly into lien type bondage
relations, the customer
has only to take 12 of his books and reorder them on his
table from
author-title into title-author and retour. The insight is
located exactly near
the <i>pons </i>between and below the two
hemispheres. The fundamentals of the insight deal with brain
regions that the
customer has not trained in a formal educative context since
early childhood. As
Kate charmingly writes, it is pleasurable for her to see me
engaged in my deep
hobby of sorting and ordering. It is encouraging for me that
Kate registers
what the song and dance at this festival is about. It is
with a mixed pleasure that
I see a group in which someone who raves about sorting
counts as a charming
outsider. This is progress insofar as the group does not
decide that sorting is
blasphemous. The group understands that sorting is something
that can be done, and
is obviously done, by at least one, but to what end and why
and who benefits of
this, is in the eyes of the group as of yet not really
clear.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, we are in a group that deals with
information theory
as applied to biology. Of the two fields where this can be
studied in an
abstract form, memory and genetic, we traditionally deal
with genetic, as the
labor people give us facts, while the memory people give
only hypotheses. So,
it is genetic. The DNA is a sequence. If one wants to
understand sequences one
cannot avoid sorting and ordering. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The real question is how on Earth in a
group that tries to
understand information theory as applied in biology, someone
who cries <i>sequences! </i>where others cry <i>wolf!</i>
can be an outlier. Everyone should
be speaking about sequences and sorting in the present
excellent assembly of
Learned Friends. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To cut it short:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The 46.260 elementary interconnectors are
that collection
which people refer to as they use the word “quantum”. <span></span></p>
<p>To give an example: There are some
among the 46.260 that are
extremely useful. It is a numeric pattern in reorder<b>
17-(a+b), a+b</b><b> ↔ 3b-2a, 3a-2b </b>that
will serve as a <i>metronome</i> cycle,
being 129 members long, together with its inside-outside
half-twin <b>a+b,
17-(a+b)</b><b> ↔
3b-2a, 3a-2b </b>that will
serve as the <i>folding </i>cycle, being 128
members long. The labor people need to do less experiments
if we tell them that
this is what they should look for. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The invention is to assemble a parallel
to the perspective we
traditionally use to look at the world. The duality is
everywhere. We shall
deal with the translation between how many, how diverse, how
similar (the
Marijuán constants) later. Presently, we discuss a much
simpler realization of
the basic duality, namely that what we count in units of
distance (each of the
units is equal) vs. what we call amount, here at first used
as an identifying
symbol, giving the element its place among its peers. To the
distance facts (in
uniform units) come the logical flags (of which reorder the
interconnector is
by natural descendance a part of), and now, as an extra
bonus the material
summands (the lien values that connect two members). And, as
an ultra extra
bonus, the members of the interconnectors are sequentially
numbered among each
other, allowing manifold offset variants of the same
interconnectors being at
work.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As we sort, we assign place attributes to
elements. Among
the place attributes are also logical attributes and
material values. We know
that the cookbook is among the first in author-title but
among the last in
title-author. This variant (author / title) of order
connects several of the
books into distinct, individual cycles. If we had
year-of-publication and no-of-pages
as order descriptors too, the cookbook could have come to
wildly different
places. There are variants of logical order descriptors and
each of them
imposes its own pairs of amount / place expectations. (All
that within a closed,
ordered assembly, like biology.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">To close, a sales point that may interest
the customer: tell
him he can be famous. Tell the customer that the <b>logical
archetypes </b>are not catalogized yet. It is like
fishing in a
bathtub. He will be able to describe a chemical element by
naming the specific
of the clusters/bundles of cycles that are unavoidably
created by the very fact
of rotating <i>2(a+b). </i>Sort, order and
filter the 46.260. Find those that can and that can not
coexist. Build types.
The archetypes are those patterns that appear and remain
bumped together as the
assembly is undergoing perpetual changes. There can be no
more than 129 of
such. Filter out the most resilient.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">PS: Zaragoza server discourages pictures
in these letters.
To see how two different cycles are used to define One Unit
of Information,
please see the illustration in<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385499143_Liaisons_Among_Symbols__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Sj1nm_SHqWdYJ8aUNgurup7XDlU-bXlULwsdN82LVA3lQykDVbgsc9j9oKJTbrS1hprCu9NrtkqrEFoW-2gLJjeQa4E$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">(PDF)
Liaisons Among Symbols</a><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again for your interest.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Karl<span></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Fr., 22. Nov. 2024 um
19:28 Uhr schrieb Katherine Peil <<a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ktpeil@outlook.com</a>>:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Hi Eric,
Karl, et al,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Eric, I’ve
always admired your work, and share your interest in
state information as a bridge to social
communication and cooperation theory. I will
reiterate that it is the
<i>emotional state</i> - its embodied source, its
underlying electrochemical signaling processes, its
self-regulatory thermodynamics and functional
enmeshment with genetic, epigenetic and immune
regulation - that will build the strongest
theoretical bridge to the social dynamics. This will
also help launder some of the higher social theories
of the lingering vestiges of Cartesian dualism and
Western religious dogma and provide a much stronger
grounding in biology and physics. I look forward to
seeing your next offering, so be sure to send it to
me directly if I’m not to be found here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Avenir Book"">Karl, as
always it’s a pleasure to venture into your land of
numbers and sorting! It is indeed a uniquely
inspiring realm in which to dwell, although I’m
still a bit unclear about the meaning of the cycles
in your model. To my mind, cycles connote time,
oscillation, frequency and iterative maths –
qualities that give rise to information in the
subjective sense, perceptions of time at the very
least. I’d love it if you could offer a simple
clarification between the process of the cycles and
the application of information as you define it.
Also, when I try to incorporate your thinking into
my own model, it clearly falls in the inner or
quantum domain I called Domain 0. So I cannot help
but chuckle upon hearing your confession about the
quantum. There are plenty of intriguing works in
quantum biology: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0*2C32&q=quantum*biology*meta*analysis*2024&btnG=__;JSsrKys!!D9dNQwwGXtA!WiRRBfVxCnYB2xNnPhOuavoUUNpeACaXgGcr2FmT5uPRP-aeMCJQYrO9v8NNmtqw9U5bquZ5wZhew9N7sw$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32&q=quantum+biology+meta+analysis+2024&btnG=</a><br>
<br>
But Karl, I’d also like to address your lament about
miscommunication between both halves of the brain.
I’d like to point you toward the work of Ian
McGilchrest (The Master and his Emissary; The Matter
with Things), who is perhaps the reigning expert in
hemispheric lateralization. From his framework I
would suggest that your arguments about number,
ordering, language and “no quantum” all spring from
a left-hemispheric mode of information processing
(linear, linguistic, particular, external control
oriented – the Emissary), and are rather lacking in
the right (nonlinear, intuitive, global, and
emotional – the Master). He suggests that path of
Western science exhibits that same imbalance. I run
into this a lot with my husband Stuart, but it never
diminished the admiration or affection I feel for
either of you.</span></p>
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Emotions are not binary<br>
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Issue 8 Emotions are not<br>
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Quantum 2024 11 22<br>
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Dear Thomas,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you for bringing up the subject of
"quantum" as an idea and<br>
procedure. Please allow me to comment from
the viewpoint of a psychologist<br>
(biologist) on the concept. First, let me
show limits of practicability of<br>
the idea. Then, we return to Wittgenstein
and establish how the meaning of<br>
a word is arrived at and how the logical
truth is understood to mean the<br>
congruence of a mental pattern (devised by
us) with a numeric pattern (as<br>
the gauge on which to measure whether we had
reasoned correctly). The<br>
constructive part of this essay proposes
using numeric patterns as<br>
blueprints of mental patterns, even if we
may as of today not have produced<br>
that mental pattern which fits smugly with a
practical numeric pattern.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*1. Inapplicability of the concept quantum
for solving my problem*<br>
<br>
The problem FIS deals with centers around
the concept "information". In<br>
terms of background, some of the Learned
Friends have been raised in the<br>
context of biology while other Learned
Friends had a stem education. If I<br>
understand you right, quantum is an
invention by the stem people, and you<br>
propose to use the concept to come nearer to
a satisfying general picture<br>
of how Nature manages relationships among
parts of wholes.<br>
<br>
The idea that biologists should familiarize
themselves with and use the<br>
concept of quanta so that both sides of the
old trivial-quadrivial conflict<br>
possess a common intellectual unit, this
suggestion is comparable to the<br>
idea that biologists suggest to stem people
to use the concept of the<br>
mirror relation of lust and hangover because
that perspective is really<br>
useful in understanding the behavior of
animals.<br>
<br>
This is not to say that quantum as a concept
would be wrong or false. It is<br>
simply not applicable in biology. Not
because of its peculiarities but<br>
because of the generality of its generation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Let me state the problem as biologists see
it: we see that an animal lives.<br>
We have no stem words to describe what we
mean by the word "lives". So, we<br>
have a state of the world that a picture
that exists in my head can't be<br>
described by me, because the mechanics of
life have not yet been explicated<br>
to me, so I can't build sentences to
communicate about a clear and explicit<br>
content of my head.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Both the pictures of the living animal, and
of the lexicon are in my head.<br>
I have an inner conflict, because one part
of my head has no words to<br>
describe what a different part of my head
perceives. (It was hypothesized<br>
that natives were helpless vis a vis the
conquistadores, because in the<br>
lexicon of the natives such a structure that
swims on water and of which<br>
people emerge, was not existing, so thinking
broke down, confronted by<br>
something that was impossible to exist.)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quantum is understood to be a property of
the things that are outside of my<br>
head. Now we come to the conflict.
Experience shows that it is in the best<br>
case a symptomatic improvement if a person
who is laboring with inner<br>
conflicts, is offered a reinforcement that
deals with the outside world.<br>
<br>
It doesn't help me at all, with my problem
of not finding the correct words<br>
to describe biology, if more and more
detailed yellow stickers are picked<br>
onto diverse parts of the whole, of which
the interaction of the parts I<br>
have a problem with. In the elephant
example, it is of no use to amass<br>
measurements of trunk, feet, belly and ears,
if I fail to build a general<br>
picture of how these parts fit together.<br>
<br>
This is the reason why this person is very
reticent to embrace the idea of<br>
quantum. From the outside, it is not clear
whether quantum is today's stone<br>
of wisdom, Phlogiston, ether, Wotan's odem
or highly refined snake oil. The<br>
concept of quantum asserts to depict
relations among objects that are<br>
outside of my head.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
What I need is an explanation that relates
to the inability of one part of<br>
my head to describe intelligently that what
a different part of my head<br>
sees clearly. I have no problem with how
things interact outside. I have a<br>
problem with understanding myself, how come
that I find no words for<br>
something that I see to exist. I will
overcome the limitations of my<br>
vocabulary, not that of my faculties of
observation. If I don?t understand<br>
the general principle of the contraption,
getting into more details is<br>
usually only of limited value. We need to
investigate how words are checked<br>
for meaning something in a grammatically
true fashion.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*2. How we check that our words refer to
that concept which we intend to<br>
refer to*<br>
<br>
Wittgenstein would have been an adept of
Shannon and his hardcore<br>
followers, had he lived after Shannon. The
idea of information processing<br>
being *au fond* an identification of an
element of *N* is included in<br>
Wittgenstein?s reasoning about the correct
grammar of using well-defined<br>
words in a sentence that is interpersonally
understandable.<br>
<br>
Wittgenstein?s steps of reasoning go:<br>
<br>
Word ? remove connotations ? arrive at
denotation ? establish relations of<br>
denotation of word to other denotations of
words ? check if relations among<br>
words agree to relations among other words
that are definitely true (in<br>
practice, use numbers as sources of correct
relations) ? if the relations<br>
among the words are in agreement with the
relations that are known to be<br>
true, the sentence is grammatically correct.<br>
<br>
If we simplify our concepts into
bundles/clusters of numeric relations (1)<br>
and compare this pattern of relations to
patterns of relations we find or<br>
create by counting, then in case the
comparison yields positive, the mental<br>
concept is reasonable. (If it calculates, it
may be something useful. If<br>
the numbers do not add up, forget it, that
won?t work in no case anyway.)<br>
(1) My transaction today at the supermarket
paying for groceries by card is<br>
a bundle/cluster of numeric relations. This
is one word of the sentence<br>
describing me, the supermarket, the
groceries and the bank. The words of<br>
the sentence fit together, obeying a numeric
pattern: the sentence is<br>
grammatically correct. Every word of this
sentence answers to the<br>
requirements for that word and means exactly
that what it is expected to<br>
mean. (In this sense, the sentence contains
no information, as nothing is<br>
otherwise than expected.)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*3. Proposal: Turn the procedure on its
head*<br>
<br>
We check whether our ideas have merit by
confronting them with the truths<br>
the natural numbers contain in themselves.
The natural numbers are the<br>
roots and the stem of the system of true
relations. From the simple come<br>
the composite who begot the differences who
begot the similarities and the<br>
probabilities and the combinations and the
certitude. Of that apple, which<br>
later fell down, to Newton?s great delight,
of certitude we homo sapiens<br>
have created logic and numbers and
relations.<br>
<br>
Why don?t we just dig out the tree of
relations, turn it over and give it a<br>
good shakeup? The canopy of the tree of
natural numbers is a habitat for<br>
many numeric patterns. If we need a common,
very versatile and small<br>
building block, why not take such that grow
in that tree, with which we<br>
anyway compare all that we produce for
checking whether it is grammatically<br>
correct?<br>
<br>
Wittgensteins direction: create coherent
ideas. Check if the rules of the<br>
coherence agree to rules of coherence which
we know to be true.<br>
<br>
Update 21st century: use the set of relation
we know to be true and subject<br>
them to axiomatic ongoing changes. In this
way, anything that can happen in<br>
an ordered world will appear in the produced
patterns.<br>
<br>
(If I produce ideas, I can check whether the
structure of my ideas agrees<br>
to structures that can be found among the
structures that I have learnt to<br>
be true. Now we change direction, take the
rule book and mix all the rules.<br>
We are interested in the resulting
convolutum of rules. Which rules are<br>
sticky with which other rules?)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*4. Are these quantum amounts?*<br>
<br>
Doing an exercise *en vogue* in FIS,
ordering any 12 books from<br>
author-title into title-author and retour,
one wonders what words are in<br>
use for the different kinds of impacts,
voids, speeds and holes and one<br>
missing and one double of the romantic
relations (called aforetimes<br>
?cycles?) among books that share that they
are *in transit together in one<br>
closed sequence.*<br>
<br>
One level further up, cycles running
parallel have inevitably some<br>
predictable patterns of coincidences. That
such-and-such are regularly<br>
together although they belong to different
cycles is an *offset bondage*<br>
that is not covered by the definition of
simple romantic relations. That<br>
the coincidence takes place is a predictor
for many different, seemingly<br>
temporally, materially and spatially distant
occurrences. The knowledge<br>
about *?? ? ??* taking place is equivalent
with the expectations of how<br>
many cycles are running, how many places are
empty and what size the bump<br>
each cycle carries on average. These are
sets of *expectations *against<br>
which the *observations *deviate, yielding
the extent of *information. *<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*To summarize:*<br>
<br>
One way is to think something up and look
whether the numbers confirm it.<br>
The way proposed here, which technology of
our age now permits, is to<br>
filter out the most obvious numeric patterns
the system produces if we make<br>
it undergo perpetual changes. The bet is
that the numeric patterns we<br>
harvest will need only to find each a good
name for, because the idea as<br>
such is by definition sound.<br>
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