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All, <br>
I am glad to see the continuation of our thread. To add one more item to discuss: how do you feel about the Nobel prize in Physics in 2024? It is related to "neural" information processing and creation. </div>
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Apologies, I take the liberty to share the link to my lecture I mainly gave to undergraduate students:</div>
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Best, Peter</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> fis@listas.unizar.es <fis@listas.unizar.es><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Emotional information</span>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Dear Thomas, Eric & All,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Indeed Thomas, quantum biology is very real, particularly as it concerns the nature of emotion. (I offered a Tao story that described “the engine
of creativity” as a cyclic process between quantum and classical domains with a subjective participant at the interface between the two realms – a bit like Bohm or Whitehead, but specifically rooted in Stuart Kauffman’s “poised realm” interpretation of QM.
In this Tao story, optimal going with the flow of The Tao is attained via decisions that attain long-term balance between myriad complementary opposites – the deepest of which are part of the causal machinery itself, rooted in quantum complementarity.)<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">First, let me say that emotion is an older and more primary process than “cognition” via neural nets. It is a fully embodied interoceptive sensory
system, and serves the function of “self-regulation” – it delivers “self-relevant” information and moves living systems to action. This is evident in the sensory-motor control chemistry of the bacterium, but given Mike Levin’s discovery of an entire layer
of bioelectric signaling, it goes deeper still.</span></p>
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In our earlier discussion, I suggested that electromagnetism was a deeper source of “sensory stimulus” leading to some of the binary features of emotional qualia. But that there are both analog and digital aspects of this stimulus in terms of membrane potential,
polarization and the computations undergirding and involving emotional qualia – which I have suggested serves delivers into consciousness a course-graining of embodied cell signaling involved in genetic, epigenetic and immune regulation. This aspect of emotion
is binary. It is some feeling akin to pain or pleasure, and delivers an approach or avoidant action impulse. But – and this is key - it is not limited to the EITHER~OR logic of the classical domain, but also carries the more primary BOTH~AND logic of the
quantum realm.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">For like Eric suggests, human emotions are now very complex, and completely intertwined with cognition proper (cultural schemata, linguistic thoughts
that lead to other thoughts, neither specifically about “the self” nor motivational). Indeed, there are now three layers of self-regulatory information encoded in our complex human emotions, but one cannot decode it without understanding the first level and
its deeper biological function as self-regulatory feedback signals..</span></p>
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The first step in understanding one’s emotional system is to be aware that cognition and emotion are two separate but interacting streams of information. This is accomplished by understanding its BINARY nature of emotional qualia and the semantic information
it carries. For example, any thought that has affective valence offers informative self-regulatory guidance via a clear yes~no message in pleasure or pain and both its EITHER~OR and BOTH~AND logic. (These are the “positive” and “negative” categories of emotion,
which work together to subserve the criteria for natural selection: They say YES to both creative
<i>self-development</i> and to stable <i>self-preservation</i>, respectively; as the dual self-regulatory imperatives that must be balanced over time. The “self-identity” that is mediated, also has a BINARY structure, both a part and a whole – with both autonomous~collective
aspects equally important, mediated by negative and positive feelings respectively. (Our polarized American politics demonstrates this along with the power of emotional manipulation.)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Thank you both for keeping this discussion alive. I really like Federcio Faggin’s concept of “live information” as it can open liberating new
doors. But when it comes to emotion, we have not begun to appreciate the wisdom the embodiment has to offer.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Oh, and Thomas, if that German work is anywhere in English, please let me know.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Hugs all around,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Avenir Book";">Kate Kauffman</span></p>
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