<div dir="auto"><div>Dear Learned Friends,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A longer expose for the record is in the works. </div><div dir="auto">Two points of it deserve to be brought forward, being answers to points raised recently. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A. Kate, information. </div><div dir="auto">You say that there is no consisent theory of information generally agreed on. </div><div dir="auto">Let me repeat that a formal deictic definition of the concept and the numerical extent of the unit of information has been generated. </div><div dir="auto">It is the deviations of the properties of cycles 3,6 of the reorder ab - ba of Cohort 16.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">B. Eric, mess for formal theorists</div><div dir="auto">Let me politely disagree with your judgment. This person has learnt to distinguish between messy and correct thinking. </div><div dir="auto">Imagining up cohorts of logical units, especially in the form of a, b is not a messy exercise. </div><div dir="auto">Rotating additions may sound messy, but the underlying operations, namely sorting and resorting, are deeply exact, correct and tautologic. </div><div dir="auto">Predictions of the future are not foreseen in the present canon. One predicts the future as one counts subsequent elements of cycles. This is as rational as it can get. </div><div dir="auto">The resulting hybrid of the mother of all sudokus with the father of all Rubik cubes is a complicated set of algorithms applied to natural numbers. This is not hallucination. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please be assured that one may and can assemble a world view, adapted and updated for the xxi. century, and remain sane and in possession of the mental capacities. Thinking does not make you crazy, nor messy. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Respectfully </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Eric Werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>> schrieb am Do., 6. Juni 2024, 11:13:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Dear Kung Fu Kate,</p>
<p>One reason the problem of integrating emotions into a theory at
all is that emotions are directly experienced by a subject, me for
example and you I assume. <br>
</p>
<p>Any theory of something is "of something". The skeptic can always
say, I fell and have sensations, but you may not. <br>
</p>
<p>To make emotions part of a theoretical formal system gives them a
third party ontology where the emotion or sensation disappears
into a operational, transformative context. <br>
</p>
<p>I try to link emotions with a formal theory of intentional
states, but this reduces emotions to utility functions or some
other evaluative-economic von Neumanian conctruct. <br>
</p>
<p>To be alive and be conscious of self and body via direct
sensations is an oddity that has plagued philosophers and all the
related fields of science, Reduction or direct one-to-one
correspondence between sensation and chemical-physical process
again puts emotion in a being observed but not experienced
perspective. <br>
</p>
<p>If souls or an ontological construct that have direct experience
when inhabiting a body is an attempted solution, then how do they
work?</p>
<p>It is really a mess for formal theorists. <br>
</p>
<p>-Eric<br>
</p>
<div>On 6/4/24 9:57 AM, Francesco Rizzo
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Kate,</div>
<div>- existence and knowledge are based on the process of
trans-in-form-action: forma(tive) action which transforms over
time;</div>
<div> - this applies to everyone, lay people and otherwise; </div>
<div>- Given that there a "field of form" for every thing,
living being and person, the value of the form or the form of
the value is synchronically important.</div>
<div>- It is not possible to determine the "most probable value
of" (Gaussian distribution), but the most or less probable
(see "The judgment of value", 1972).</div>
<div>- Following Hegel's "Science of logic" (quantity, quality,
measurement) it is possible to evaluate qualitative quantities
or quantitative qualities in emotional-rational terms.</div>
<div>-Fuzzy logic, semiotic-hermeneutical approach, Taoism
(biological Yin and Yang), etc., are decisive, but absolutely
indeterministic.</div>
<div>-My theory of value is hexagonal (a good is worth because
it is beautiful, good, useful, true, right and legal).</div>
<div>- In short, it is only possible to calculate normal values
from a subjective point of view.</div>
<div> Thank you very much.</div>
<div> Francesco<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Cara Kate,
<div>- l'esistenza e la conoscenza sono basate sul processo di
tras-in-form-azione:</div>
<div>azione forma(tiva) che si trasforma nel tempo;</div>
<div>- questo vale per tutti, laici e non;</div>
<div>- Posto che v'ha un "campo di forma" per ogni cosa, essere
vivente e persona,</div>
<div>è sincronicamente importante il valore della forma o la
forma del valore.</div>
<div>- Non è possibile determinare il "più probabile valore di"
(distribuzione gaussiana),</div>
<div>ma i valori più o meno probabili (cfr. "Il giudizio di
valore", 1972).</div>
<div>-Seguendo la "Scienza della logica" di Hegel (quantità,
qualità, misura) è possibile</div>
<div>valutare quantità qualitative o qualità quantitative in
termini emo-ra-zionali.</div>
<div> -Logica Fuzzy, Approccio semiotico-ermeneutico, Taoismo
(Yin e Yang biologici), etc.,</div>
<div>sono decisivi, ma assolutamente indeterministici.</div>
<div>-La mia teoria del valore è esagonale (un bene vale perchè
è bello, buono, utile, vero, </div>
<div>giusto e legale).</div>
<div>- In estrema sintesi è possibile solo calcolare valori
normali dal punto di vista soggettivo.</div>
<div>Grazie di cuore.</div>
<div>Francesco</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 1 giu 2024 alle
ore 21:14 Katherine Peil Kauffman <<a href="mailto:ktpeil@outlook.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ktpeil@outlook.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
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<div>Dear Pedro et al,
<div><br>
<div>Thank you all once again for the splendid discussion.
(Those both here and the many “back-stage”.)</div>
<div>By way of final closure I’d like to pose two general
questions to each of you:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) What would you recommend as your best general <i>definition
of information</i> for the lay public?</div>
<div>2) What can information science tell us about “<i>evaluative”</i>
information?</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pedro, I hope life is treating you and yours with the
very best of all possible outcomes. While your absence has
definitely altered the dynamics of this discussion, it
turns out that there are many “Scarecrows" that I will
miss most upon returning to my world. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some of us - perhaps renegade - psychologists are
calling this world the “Psychosphere”, a term that demands
a place for subjectivity in our foundational theories. We
seek deeper more complete frameworks and realistic
explanations for all the nuances of “identity” as well as
all Norman Bates connotations of human development and
behavior. We value humility. We don’t claim to know the
answers. But we will no longer check our humanity at the
door or deny our destructive impact on the biosphere or
upon one another. We trust the biological wisdom of our
embodiment, and honor the responsibility inherent in
“free” will. We aim to draw much more deeply upon direct
experience, to let people try the science on for size, and
decide for themselves. An edited collection is in the
works, and I’m offering the new emotion science in one
(maybe two) chapters entitled <i>The Tao of Life, Love,
and Larceny. </i>(As you might guess, the Love and
Larceny bits are to emphasize how the positive and
negative emotions relate to the best and worst of human
nature.) There is so much to say - whatever logic might
apply.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please know that each of you are always welcome in my
world. Welcome to contribute, to argue, to question,
and/or to share unique personal experiences that demand
better science. Indeed, we need you.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Heartfully yours,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Katherine Peil Kauffman </div>
<div>(AKA Kung Fu Kate)</div>
<div><br>
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