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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ZH-CN link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'>Dear Kate,</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:3.6pt;mso-para-margin-top:.3gd;text-indent:24.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'>Your investigation on emotional sentience is fascinating, initially, it seems rooted in psychology but at last evolves into an information-centric issue through the<span style='color:black'> perspective</span> of Chinese Tao, physics, and phy<span style='color:black'>siology. As a Chinese individual and a fellow from the same hometown of the author of <i>Tao Te Ching</i>, the core work of Taoism theory, I offer the following reflections:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:18.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-margin-top-alt:.5gd;mso-para-margin-right:0cm;mso-para-margin-bottom:0cm;mso-para-margin-left:18.0pt;mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:6.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>1. Modern History<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:24.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>In October 1981, during his sole visit to China, John Wheeler, after watching a performance rich in Taoist Yin and Yang philosophies in Beijing, remarked on how his lifelong contemplation of physics had echoed in advance in ancient Chinese thought. In March 1989, he proposed the controversial saying "It from bit" in United States, sparking ongoing discussions within the FIS community. In our group, Joseph Brenner has explored the relationship between Tao and Information Science deeply. Many years ago, he suggested me to organize a group of Chinese scholars to discuss the information ideas in Taoism, but this venture unfortunately did not materialize. Presently, the most exhaustive exploration of Tao and Information Science is championed by Xiaoguang Wen, a MIT physicist aligned with Wheeler's theories, potentially a future Nobel laureate. Thus, I commend you for forging the link between emotional sentience and information through the prism of Taoism.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:24.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>2. My Viewpoint<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:24.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>From my perspective, the ancient Taoist text, <i>Tao Te Ching</i>, posits that "All things stem from the Tao" similar to Wheeler's "It from bit". Similarly, the <i>Book of Changes</i>, another Chinese classic also intertwined with information themes, have a large following in China too. Despite the multitude of researchers studying <i>Tao Te Ching</i> and the <i>Book of Changes</i>, their interpretations lack universal acceptance and conclusive resolution, The outcome of its relationship with information is similar to the outcome of Wheeler's </span><span style='font-family:等线;color:black'>“<span lang=EN-US>It from bit</span>”<span lang=EN-US>: eternal inspiration, never result. Using information to explain emotional sentience issue is a huge achievement for psychology or physiology, but there are thousands of information problems in information science, and what we urgently need is the unified explanation for all information problem, such as core characteristics, communication law, computation model, and more.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:24.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>3. My Confusion<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:24.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线;color:black'>I have discussed the above topics extensively in my 2016 comprehensive massive book <b><i>Information Science: Concept, System and Perspective</i></b> - just like my spending 72 pages to information concept, I have deeply discussed most of the current information issues: human information, physical information, biological information, chemical information, the framework of information science, and so on. Regrettably, this contribution were not acknowledged at the IS4SI 2023 Beijing Conference, I am very astonished, this disregard makes me worried about the future of FIS and IS4SI, I am concerning about the development of related matters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:24.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'>Xueshan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线'>PS: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:等线;color:black'>Information Science: Concept, System and Perspective</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:等线'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:137.5pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:等线'>Xueshan Yan<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;text-indent:121.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:等线'>Beijing, China, 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:132.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'>Science Press<a name="_Toc446491516"></a><a name="_Toc446492157"></a><a name="_Toc446495456"><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446492157'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446491516'><o:p></o:p></span></span></a></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446495456'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446492157'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446491516'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:140.0pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446495456'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446492157'><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446491516'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt'>Contents</span></span></span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446491516'></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446492157'></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_Toc446495456'></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:12.0pt;layout-grid-mode:char'><a name="OLE_LINK21"><span lang=EN-US>Foreword</span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>......................................................................... </span><span lang=EN-US>i</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='line-height:12.0pt;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Acknowledgments</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>....................................................... </span><span lang=EN-US>xi<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=1 align=left style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-align:left;text-indent:44.15pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>Part I General Situation of Information Science<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 1 The Study of Information Definition.... 3<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>1.1 The Information Concept in Chinese before 1948..................................................................... 4<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>1.2 The Information Concept in English before 1948................................................................... 10<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>1.3 The Prevalence of the Information Concept after 1948........................................................... 21<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>1.4 Various Definitions of Information................... 29<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>1.5 Approximate Concepts of Information............. 54<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 2 The History of Information Science.... 78<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>2.1 The Two Major Sources of Information Science 79<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>2.2 Three Basic Names of Information Studies...... 89<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>2.3 The Three Classical Schools of Information Science....................................................... 98<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 3 The Present of Information Science. 119<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>3.1 The Different Information Issues in Different Disciplines................................................ 119<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>3.2 Modern Information Science.......................... 136<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>3.3 The Current Information Science System....... 142<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 4 The Concepts and Patterns of Information Science................................................ 147<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>4.1 Some Basic Concepts in Information Science. 147<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>4.2 Patterns of Information Science..................... 181<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=1 align=left style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-right:0cm;mso-para-margin-bottom:1.0gd;mso-para-margin-left:0cm;text-align:left;text-indent:5.25pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Part II The Review of Three Main Professional Information Disciplines<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 5 Technological Informatics.................. 189<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>5.1 Computer Science.......................................... 190<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>5.2 Telecommunications Science......................... 206<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 6 Cellular Informatics............................. 235<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>6.1 Neural Informatics......................................... 238<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>6.2 Endocrine Informatics.................................... 251<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>6.3 Genetic Informatics....................................... 265<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 7 Human Informatics.............................. 283<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>7.1 Psychology.................................................... 285<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>7.2 Communicology............................................ 298<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>7.3 Linguistics..................................................... 309<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>7.4 Infordomics................................................... 326<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=1 align=left style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-right:0cm;mso-para-margin-bottom:1.0gd;mso-para-margin-left:0cm;text-align:left;text-indent:27.6pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>Part III Some Controversial Issues in Information Science<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 8 Are They the Members of Information Science?..................................................................... 347<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>8.1 Is Statistics a Developed Information Science?................................................................. 348<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>8.2 Is Geography an Information Science?........... 353<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>8.3 Can Chemistry be Comprehended an Information Science?................................................... 357<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>8.4 Is Biology an Informational Science?............. 365<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 9 Can the Following Professional Informatics be Established?.................................. 374<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>9.1 Physical Informatics...................................... 374<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>9.2 Animal Informatics........................................ 380<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>9.3 Plant Informatics........................................... 385<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 10 The Analysis of Several Popular Informatics................................................................ 392<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>10.1 Medical Informatics..................................... 392<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>10.2 Geographic Informatics............................... 396<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>10.3 Bioinformatics............................................. 399<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 11 Information Management and Information Systems............................................... 407<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>11.1 Understanding Information Management..... 407<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>11.2 The Future of Information Management...... 421<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 12 >From Social Informatics to Human Informatics................................................................ 431<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>12.1 What is Social Informatics?......................... 431<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>12.2 What is Human Informatics?........................ 442<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>12.3 From Social Informatics to Human Informatics................................................................. 468<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 13 Does Everything Come from Information?............................................................. 478<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>13.1 Examples in Physics.................................... 480<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>13.2 Reality and Measurement............................. 482<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.1pt;text-indent:-30.1pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'>13.3 Approximate Theories in China................................................................. 486</span><span lang=EN-US>.... </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'>(</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:red'>I</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'> <span style='color:red'>discussed it in three parts: 1. Tai Chi; 2. Tao; 3. Informatism</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'>) </span><b><span lang=EN-US>....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... ....................................................................... <o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>13.4 The Ultimate Theory of the Universe........... 494<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 14 Overview of Information Measurement........................................................... 500<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.1 A Survey of Information Measurement......... 500<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.2 The Past and Present of Shannon Theory...... 504<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.3 Shannon Theory vs. Entropy Theory............ 510<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.4 General Examples of Shannon Measurement 515<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.5 Further Considerations about Information Measurement............................................ 520<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>14.6 Views on Information Measurement............. 530<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=1 align=left style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-align:left;text-indent:16.55pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>Part IV Development and Perspective of Information Science<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 15 Advancement in Information Science..................................................................................... 539<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.1 Princeton: The Earliest Query to Information Science……………. 539<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.2 Cottbus: A Multidisciplinary Conference to Information Science.................................. 542<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.3 Madrid: The First International Conference on FIS........................................................... 544<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.4 Vienna: The Second International Conference on FIS........................................................... 546<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.5 Paris: The Third International Conference on FIS........................................................... 548<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>15.6 Beijing: The Fourth International Conference on FIS........................................................... 549<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 16 The New Thinking about Information Science....................................................................... 553<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>16.1 The Necessity of Interdisciplinary Information Studies...................................................... 553<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>16.2 <span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Philosophical Considerations of a Unified Theory of Information</span>........................................... 570<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 17 Discussions about Information Science via Internet................................................. 587<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.1 The Concept of Information......................... 590<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.2 Physical Information.................................... 599<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.3 Biological Information................................. 606<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.4 Social Information....................................... 614<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.5 Other Information........................................ 620<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>17.6 Information Science..................................... 630<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Chapter 18 Perspective of Information Science 639<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>18.1 The Development of a Unified Information Science..................................................... 639<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>18.2 The Perspective of the Future of Information Science..................................................... 649<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=3 style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-30.0pt;line-height:15.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>18.3 Epilogue...................................................... 659<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='margin-top:6.0pt;mso-para-margin-top:.5gd;line-height:12.0pt;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>References................................................................. 667<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='line-height:12.0pt;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Index of Names........................................................ 706<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=2 style='line-height:12.0pt;layout-grid-mode:char'><span style='mso-bookmark:OLE_LINK21'><span lang=EN-US>Postscript................................................................... 719</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:等线'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Katherine Peil Kauffman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 6:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> fis@listas.unizar.es; "Pedro C. Marijuán" <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Emotional Sentience & The Tao - Author Responses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Dear FIS community,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>It has been an honor and pleasure to learn so much from you all. Although information science is new to me, I am finding treasure troves from many directions that lend support to my emotion model. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Aaron:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> To my mind, your emphasis on origin and function of <i>synapses</i> gets to the deeper dynamics of computation in networks, the central role of relational connectivity, and how possibilities get tweaked up and down in Domain 0.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Stuart: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>Your point about the unmanifest in Jain tradition reminded me that I forgot to mention <i>contextuality</i> as one of the key quantum features. Also too, the moral imperative in Jainism is perhaps the closest to that within our emotional biology: </span><i>“<span lang=EN-US>Do not do that to others which pains thyself</span>”<span lang=EN-US>.</span></i><b><span lang=EN-US> </span></b><span lang=EN-US>This is the reverse of the Golden Rule because the conditions which cause emotional pain are universal. Self-preservation gets the highest priority, which is why 4 out of 5 basic emotions are painful: <i>Sadness</i> (is about loss, loss of energy, need-meeting resources, etc); <i>Disgust</i> (is about <i>contamination</i> of food, poison, and germ aversion); <i>Fear </i>(is about <i>threats</i> in the immediate environment), and <i>Anger</i> (is about just and equitable human dignity, agentic freedom and personal empowerment). This information is encoded in what is called the appraisal themes of the various emotions and they bridge cleanly to a set of universal needs similar to Maslow</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s needs hierarchy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Krassimir:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Yes! The [-1, 0,+1] interval describes the No~Yes dualist language of the body, and the logic of Negative~Positive emotion - which occurs in Domain 1. But the 0 would imply the optimal state of Tao-like balance on the edge-of-chaos, the homeodynamic state to which the system will return to as part of the corrective response. This is the basis of the negative feedback homeostasis and constraint closure. At a deeper level, in Domain 0 where language of waves (oscillations) is spoken; this 0 state of balance relates to the <i>natural harmonic</i> of the particular geometric, phenotypal structure of the living organism. This feels like the home state, like lowest energy state, emotionally relaxed and peaceful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Plamen: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>The connection between physical and psychological </span>“<span lang=EN-US>stress</span>”<span lang=EN-US> is central to understanding the self-regulatory function of emotion. Keely</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s work demonstrating the connection between feeling sick, inflammation, and feeling sad </span>–<span lang=EN-US> energy loss from the system. The connection between brain and body are manifold, including the immune system, the HPA axis, endocrine and paracrine systems, polyvagal nerve, the microbiome, even epigenetic methylation as memory marks. However, the informational and causal flow goes both ways. Emotion is the language </span>–<span lang=EN-US> the music </span>–<span lang=EN-US> of the body. The binary feelings in emotional pleasure and pain (what Selye originally called Eustress~Distress) offer a course graining of all these lower levels and those conjured by our mindscape feed back down yielding placebo and nocebo effects (in addition to inflammatory responses and chronic disease).<br><br><b>Christophe: </b>Through Gordana</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s link I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>ve learned a bit more about your Meaning Making System. It</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s wonderful in that it goes beyond syntactics to address <i>semantics</i> </span>–<span lang=EN-US> values, which is largely missing from most approaches. But I would add that organisms have two overarching evolutionary purposes, <i>adaptive self-development</i> (which includes all learning) as well as </span>“<span lang=EN-US>must stay alive</span>”<span lang=EN-US>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Gordana: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>You are a kindred soul indeed. Between your papers and that lovely talk on the role of natural computations undergirding basal intelligence you</span>’<span lang=EN-US>ve pointed directly to some key features of our emotional sense. Since the parallels are so many, I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>ll just offer some contrasts and additions. First, while Kahneman</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s dual process model remains popular, its use in psychology still carries the pejorative Cartesian idea that the bottom-up pathways that inform the fast system are inferior and foul the mindscape with </span>“<span lang=EN-US>cognitive biases</span>” –<span lang=EN-US> much of which are rooted in misunderstandings of emotional processes. Second, I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>m completely on board with Jablonka in terms of the Evolution of the Sensitive Soul </span>–<span lang=EN-US> with one addition: She pins it all on <i>associative learning</i> but does not give Pavlov or emotion their rightful due. Learning in living systems requires the <i>fundamental semantic information</i> bit that we experience as emotional (affective, hedonic) qualia. It is the </span>“<span lang=EN-US>unconditioned</span>”<span lang=EN-US> stimulus-response pair within classical Pavlovian conditioning, innate evaluative punishment and reward. Third, I hear you on that </span>“<span lang=EN-US>speaking about that which cannot be spoken</span>”<span lang=EN-US> thing. Its taken 35 years for science sufficient to frame the emotional system. Then again, </span>“<span lang=EN-US>The Tao that can be spoken, is not The Tao</span>”<span lang=EN-US> ~ Lao Tzu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Mike: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>Your work has been revelatory in identifying the deeper bioelectric levels of self-regulatory process and the sensory stimulus undergirding emotion. Thank you. For example, the Comparison step of my little loop of mind (the ongoing comparison between self and not-self, between internal and external environments) can be instantiated bio-electrically at the cellular level by the High~Low cell membrane potential V, which provides the step 2 Signal via polarized~depolarized states, which carries the Yes~No, Good~Bad Evaluation (depolarization being associated with cancer). Please correct me if I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>ve misinterpreted or taken too much liberty. But this upward bridge to affect is huge. I also see a downward bridge to Watson</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s natural induction via Song and Hoffman</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s Markov Kernels, via emotional resonance~dissonance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Pedro: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>Your absence herein has been palpable. I hope life is delivering its very best to you and yours. As this month comes to a close, please know that I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>m happy to continue this discussion if there is sufficient interest. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>With all best wishes, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Kate Kauffman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Katherine Peil Kauffman<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 27, 2024 7:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> fis@listas.unizar.es; "Pedro C. Marijuán" <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Emotional Sentience and The Tao author response<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Dear FIS community,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Thanks for trying on my Tao framework for size and kicking off the discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Karl</span></b><span lang=EN-US>: You have introduced me to a whole new realm, thank you. A general comment is that your points on sorting and grouping (cycles, liaisons, and information) are all highly relevant to the patterned information in what I call Domain 0. I hope we can find common language as it concerns your natural primitives and my fundamental semantic information bit, if we are to bridge from quantity (and position) to <i>quality</i> (and position). Perhaps a fruitful start might be the lower five through which animals assemble their mental cartography? So much more to say, but thank you for the education your sorting experiment and papers provide.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Eric</span></b><span lang=EN-US>: I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>d love to hear what you have to say about the dimensional architecture of Kantian Wholes, as that structural, operational, and informational closure is central to the organization of living systems </span>–<span lang=EN-US> at every level of scale. Apologies for jumping topics </span>–<span lang=EN-US> I get that a lot from Stu too (and indeed I chalk it up to hemispheric lateralization), but my intent was to offer <i>examples</i> of my use of the Tao to tether to both personal experience and various literature across disciplines. As for sitting on a mountain (versus emotionally informed acting in the world), you crack me up. But I do hope you will consider the binaries I mentioned and how appear in your personal experiences. Your earlier points about complex emotions and sociality (experienced in Domain 1), for example, flow from the dual structure of identity rooted in dance of wholes~parts from Domain 0. Yet, when we distinguish <i>self</i> from <i>other</i> in a rigid way, (or worse, us versus them tribalism), autopilot negative emotional defenses and conflict are predictable. Think of having a lovely picnic with your significant other (up on that mountain). Everything is flowing, loving and the </span>“<span lang=EN-US>we</span>”<span lang=EN-US> feeling between you is palpable. Then your partner suddenly says something disrespectful, and boom </span>–<span lang=EN-US> just like that </span>–<span lang=EN-US> anger rears its head and your identity shifts to purely </span>“<span lang=EN-US>me</span>”<span lang=EN-US>. This lies at the core of why both selfishness and selflessness are unbalanced dysregulated self-states.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Joe: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>d love to hear more about setting a Kantian Whole in motion. Do you mean the dyamics at each level within a Kantian Whole? Or between the Whole and its local environment? Something else? As for the nitty gritty of how one gets from the complements in electromagnetism to the binary feelings we experience, you are right it takes a deep dive </span>–<span lang=EN-US> as well taking quantum biology at face value. Personally, I suspect there are aspects of the electromagnetic force that may divide cleanly into Domains 0 and 1, but my assumption about creative interactions between them are rooted in particles like <br><i>anyons</i> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyon__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XNLxpQ5MpBeagI_SS_MahGSDa0_2lZ485q4vOZwfhfolJtNiFS0mMSTn6ht1dohIv0twYTlHCyrSn1tgxQ$">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyon</a> that can behave as either fermions or bosons, in <i>altermagnetism</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/journals.aps.org/prx/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevX.12.040501__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XNLxpQ5MpBeagI_SS_MahGSDa0_2lZ485q4vOZwfhfolJtNiFS0mMSTn6ht1dohIv0twYTlHCyppIiijuA$">https://journals.aps.org/prx/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevX.12.040501</a> or <i>liquid-liquid</i> phase transitions <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927796X23000487__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XNLxpQ5MpBeagI_SS_MahGSDa0_2lZ485q4vOZwfhfolJtNiFS0mMSTn6ht1dohIv0twYTlHCyoIzsM3wA$">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927796X23000487</a> .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Please tell me more about your version of The Tao and your both~neither logic, and how it might relate to the primary <i>self-not-self</i> comparisons in the self-regulatory mechanisms I mentioned. (I hear hints of Terry Deacon</span>’<span lang=EN-US>s incompleteness, that is somewhat captured by the idea of possibles that do not yet exist.) Is it something like the universal NAND gate? And thank you for the offer of luck, I will take it. For mindless self-destruction is the predictable outcome of ignorance regarding the self-regulatory function of emotion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>Gordana: </span></b><span lang=EN-US>Thank you for pointing out the ubiquity of natural computation, and for the updated view of algorithms </span>–<span lang=EN-US> as open and creative. (I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>ll share that with Stu!) I</span>’<span lang=EN-US>d like to hear more about super-recursive algorithms, their role (if any) in the development of mind, and any other sage advice you might offer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>With gratitude and kindred affection,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Kate Kauffman<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>