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<p>I don't know Kate, it seems to me like you are trying to squeeze
a very large higher dimensional space into a two dimensional
space. When you do that you have to do an encoding and even if you
can achieve that you get huge discontinuities in your
representation of the higher dimensional space. Hence, your
jumping from topic to topic, that may be evidence of the
discontinuities. </p>
<p>One of the beauties of our mind-brain being able to have a unity
of consciousness it that we are able to represent Kantian wholes
closer to what they actually are in terms of their dimensional
architecture of representation. <br>
</p>
<p>Wouldn't it be easier to up the dimentionality of the
explanation? Or am I being too unemotional not using my holistic
brain-consciousness. </p>
<p>I agree with you the topic of emotions is huge and important.
And directly related to the problem of consciousness. <br>
</p>
<p>And I like the fact that you have the courage to attack the
problem. And I like the direction of your evolutionary approach.
Your are right, definitely something there. </p>
<p>But if I sit on a mountain top and focus on the Yin-Yang of the
universe, will it help me get my breakfast the next day? <br>
</p>
<p>-Eric<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/25/24 10:15 PM, Katherine Peil
Kauffman wrote:<br>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:12.1pt"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Dear FIS
Community,<o:p class=""></o:p></span><u1:p class=""></u1:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">As promised, here are the
key soundbites of
my use of the metaphor of The Tao as a framework to ground the
new emotion
science.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span><u1:p class=""></u1:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">In a nutshell, in the
ancient tradition of
Taoism, The Tao is an ongoing riverlike flow, a dynamic
creative process,
driven by an eternal dialectic dance of Yin~Yang complementary
opposites.
Borrowing from these monistic-dualistic themes, I aim to show
that the Yin~Yang<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">dualities</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>we
experience in our daily existence
are a feature not a bug – one central to understanding binary
information
processing in Nature. I offer The Tao as a placeholder the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">dynamic
process </i>within the
creative Flow of Nature, for all complementary opposites
within it, and all
causal principles (known and unknown. I offer it to represent
the common
biophysical hardware that enables and empowers the software
that enables
sentient living creatures to act on their own behalf, and all
drivers of both
mechanistic and agent behavior. But I also offer it as a new
methodological
tool. As an opportunity to reframe and reorder<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">what we
think we already know,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>by
grounding the new ideas in<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">direct human experience</i>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><u1:p class=""></u1:p><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">In my version of The
Tao,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span> the dual
Yin~Yang
complements represent dynamic interactions between<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">two
ontologically</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>real<span
class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span><i
class="">physical
domains</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of
existence, with
their cyclic dialectic transitions unified into<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Mobius-like
monistic flow</i>.
These two domains are variously known as: Timeless~Timebound;
Implicate~Explicate; Potential~Actual, even Spirit~Matter. In
terms of
mathematics – and as proxy for “The Good, The True, and The
Beautiful” - I
align them with Plato’s original Ideal~Material realms. But
primarily, I root
them in the yet-to-come unity of Quantum~Classical mechanical
processes<i class="">.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>In emphasizing
both the <i class="">complementarity
and</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">uncertainty
relations</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of
the quantum realm, we find an
inroad to how sentient subjects perceive and actively
participate within the
creative Flow of The Tao. Indeed, evidence suggests that the
complementary
opposites within<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">electromagnetism</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(<i class="">positive~negative</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>charge; magnetic<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">attraction~repulsion<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>as well as the
oscillatory<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">wave-like</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>nature
of matter, (<i class="">in~out</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>phase relations<i
class="">,</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">constructive~destructive</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>interference), and
harmonic<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">resonance~dissonance</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> undergird the binary
dimension
within emotional experience.<br class="">
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<u1:p class=""></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">For purposes of this
discussion, we will
call these two domains:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">Domain
0 and Domain 1</i></b>, respectively; wherein the ongoing
cyclic transitions
between them form the computational engine of The Tao. This
dance delivers the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">algorithmic logic</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of Turing machines,
and the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">opponent
processes</i>,
metastability and regulatory switching, evident in metabolism,
morphogenesis,
genetic and the autonomic neural networks embody behavioral
control. For brain
scientists, Domains 0~1 are evident in the ongoing
interactions and specialized
functions of the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">right~left</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>brain
hemispheres (respectively) as
set forth by Ian McGilchrest. They are also evident in the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">fast~slow</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>neural oscillations
described by
Gyorgy Buzsaki, with the <i class="">fastest<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>brain-waves<span
class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span>(Gamma,
Beta) reflecting
Domain1, and the <i class="">slowest</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(Theta,
Delta) representing Domain 0. A core insight is that
throughout our waking day,
the is brain constantly dipping into<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">both
realms</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>via
the entire
hierarchy of brain rhythms. Mark Lewis has associated<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">emotion</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>has been with<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Theta band
(ref),</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>signifying
the difference between
cognitive computations (thoughts) of Domain 1 and affective
computations
(emotion) of Domains 0, emerging in our subjective awareness
as
self-regulatory <i class="">emotional dissonance~resonance.</i><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><u1:p class=""></u1:p><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">For psychologists,
the dual 0~1 domains of The Tao are captured<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">dreaming~waking<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>states,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">unconscious~conscious</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>realms (both personal
and collective),
and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">inner~outer</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>foci of subjective
awareness,
distinctions between<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">intuition~intellect</i>,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">synthesis~analysis</i>, as
well experiential<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">becoming~being</i>,
and the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">eternal~present,
unified~divided</i> aspects of mindful identity,
respectively. It makes
sense of the recent association between personality disorders
(including
depression and schizophrenia) and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">disconnection
and conflict</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>between
Gamma
and Theta bands, as well as lesions to right~left hemispheres.
For
sociologists, biologists and health practitioners, ultimately,
the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">conflicts<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span><i
class="">imbalances</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(ranging
from tribal warring, social
conflict, to cognitive dissonance) – are rooted in a
deeper biophysical
conflict<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">within the embodied
organism</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(and
chronic
inflammatory responses). This boils down to the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">identity
information, the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">self~not-self</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i> and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">not-yet-self~self</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">distinctions</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>inherent in<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""> </b></span>genetic,
epigenetic and immune
regulation (witness embryological development, error
correction, autoimmune
disease, and placebo~nocebo effects). In terms of evolution,
this is Nature’s
universal<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">yes~no</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>behavioral value
system that says<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">yes<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b><i
class="">to creative<span class="apple-converted-space"><b
class=""> </b></span><b class="">self-development</b></i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">no</i></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><i
class=""> </i></span><i class="">to<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""> </b></span>entropic<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""> </b></span><b
class="">self-destruction</b></i>,
the criteria for natural selection<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">(adaptation~survival),<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>yet
providing the hedonic
core of evaluative feelings and teleological behavior.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">To the spiritually
inclined, my use of The
Tao also honors its ancient moral and philosophical themes. As
such it provides
a natural grounding of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">right~wrong</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">behaviors<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">life
trajectories</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>in
the body’s<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">yes~no</i></b> requirements
for biological integrity. In contrast to our biased "cognitive
judgments”
these universal evaluations concern <b class=""><i class="">optimal~deficient,</i></b> <b
class=""><i class="">ordered~disordered</i></b> relations
within and between the entire self. Our goal as virtuous
agents is to attune to
emotional<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">resonance~dissonance<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>as a biological
cue to
immediately<span class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span>restore<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">personal
balance<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>by
adapting either<span class="apple-converted-space"><i class=""> </i></span><i
class="">internal or external worlds.</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(“Righting” ourselves
to winds of
change, to maintain longterm balance between all Yin~Yang
complements). We do
this by<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">increasing~decreasing</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>all stimulus
conditions (physical,
mental, social) that elicit<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">pleasurable~painful</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>emotion, building
flourishing bodies,
mindscapes, and social landscapes. This is how we stay on the
right track, how
we “go with the flow” of The Tao. (Rather like riding as wave,
instead of
having it crash in one’s face).<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> Indeed,
the universal preference for the pursuit of pleasure – basic
joy, in evermore
complex forms – drives an upward<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">self-developmental
spiral</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>in
terms of conscious
behavioral freedom, empathic social connection, cooperation,
compassion and
creative actualization of latent human potentials on
individual and social
levels. These natural benefits of emotional self-regulation
have been attributed
to the “fruits of spirit” in Western religion, while their
counterpart negative (painful) emotional remain associated
with “sin” and
supernatural “evil”. But through the lens of The Tao, we see
how this natural
value system is born of conservation laws, symmetry breaking,
and edge-of-chaos
criticality, and how <b class=""><i class="">positive~negative</i></b> emotions
work
together, serving the same self-regulatory master by honoring
the dual
teleological purposes of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">self-development~self-preservation.</i></b><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">With this framework in
place, here are the
core insights as they concern<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">identity,
creative<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>agency,
and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>information</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>– all of which are
crucial to
understanding the binary logic delivered by emotion:<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 12.1pt;"><u1:p class=""></u1:p><b
class="">Domains 0: The
primary, unconscious, dreaming, realm</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">is the timeless, and
nonlocal realm of the possible and
of ideal mathematical order, action and structure - the
ultimate source of the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">balancing principles</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">creative
power</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of The
Tao. This domain
accumulates its own unique kind of information, born of the
transformative flow
between actuals and possibles, and ruled by the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">Both~And</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> logic of The Tao. It
is both
enduring in structure, a physical record or memory bank of
every manifest
event, and a dynamic everchanging never-ending<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> webwork of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">relational
transactions.</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>The
quantum wave-language of the land
is that of oscillatory cycles, wherein<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">phase
relations</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>yield<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">(constructive~destructive)</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>interference, tweaking<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">possibilities</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>up and down, forging
more or less
likely individual and collective<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class=""><u
class="">probabilistic</u><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>trajectories,
and driving the
reciprocally in-formative transformative identity dance
between<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">parts~wholes</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""><i class=""> </i></b></span><b
class=""><i class="">subject~object</i></b>.
In terms of personal identity, this is the internal, nonlocal
home of the
wavelike<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><u class="">S</u>elf</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(with a capital s),
perhaps
distinguishable by what Fedderico Faggin calls pure
(non-reproducible) “quantum
informational states”. The Self is a term intended to<span
class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""> </b></span>capture <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>all<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">not-yet-self</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> identity potentials
(both
personal and relational) that are yet to be<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">defined<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>and<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">manifested</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>via the process of The
Tao
(conceptually akin to both an enduring <i class="">soul </i>and
dynamic<i class=""> spirit)</i>.
The Self is the primary identity domain against<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> which all algorithmic
contrasts
and comparisons are made in determining <i class="">self-relevance. </i>But
this definition, the Self is the identity accessed in
transcendental,
transpersonal and psychotropic experiences. It is the
universal source of the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">YES value</i></b>, of our<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">resonance<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b><i
class="">with evermore complex
pleasure,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>the
creative engine
of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">self-actualization</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>with The Tao.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 12.1pt;"><b class="">Domain
1: </b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">The<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">secondary,</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span> <i
class="">time-space bound</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>domain of embodiment</b>,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">where we
live and breathe</b>. This
is the everyday waking world of the individual<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">person</b> (self,
with small
s) we experience ourselves to be – right here, right now. The
linear nature of
movement in time and space often demands a more Aristotelian<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">Either~Or</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>decision-making logic,
yet the
secondary dualities always<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">carry
within</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>them
of the primary
complements of Domain 0. This is the homeland of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> <i class="">biological
relativity</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>,
wherein spatiotemporal measurements
are relative to the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">subjective
observer</i>, where the physical and informational
boundaries root concepts
like<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">up~down,
before~after,
inside~outside</i>,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">good~bad</i></b>,
and the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i
class="">yes~no</i></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>biovalues.
Indeed, this domain is the
primary source of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">NO value</i></b>,
the aversive, punitive nature of self-preservationary <b
class=""><i class="">dissonance<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i></b><i
class="">and<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">pain. </b></i>This is why 4
out of five basic emotions have negative valence, with
seemingly intractable
behavioral defenses. They are the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">primary
corrective signals</i>, hardwired to defend and protect the
non-negotiable
physical requirements and psychosocial needs of the body –
until the mind
develops sufficiently to<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">resonate</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>with
the informational component and
consciously embrace its Domain 0 logical primitives within
emotional sentience.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">OK
done! Thanks for your indulgence with the lengthy post. (I’ve
stripped away the references, but they are available upon
request.) But as we
proceed, the distinctions between Domains 0~1 within this
framework will help
us engage with and assess this new material through our own
direct experiences.
In the future, I promise much shorter posts, and the flowing
forth of that
rollicking discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span><u1:p
class=""></u1:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:12.1pt"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">With warm
wishes,<o:p class=""></o:p></span><u1:p class=""></u1:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 12.1pt;"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Kate Kauffman<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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