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<p>Hi Stu,</p>
<p>I think you are being too pessimistic about what we can know and
do. <br>
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<p>Also there is a difference between knowing and understanding and
acting. Understanding certainly helps with what we can possibly
know and how one might act. But what we can say often hinders
what we can do. <br>
</p>
<p>Communication, a form of action, offers more subtleties. Often
when truth is politically incorrect (where "correct" is defined by
each group's special interests), we can still make reasonable
guesses as to what can happen even if we cannot express it and
also stay alive. <br>
</p>
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src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Nyamata_Memorial_Site_13.jpg/250px-Nyamata_Memorial_Site_13.jpg"></p>
<p>In this week we remember the slaughter of the Tutsis by the
Hutus. Once started the ongoing slaughter was predictable yet no
one stopped it. The Clinton administration debated endlessly if
the ongoing slaughter was technically definable as a genocide. If
so they had to act, but by subtlety of wordings they excused
themselves from acting. <br>
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<p>What are the emotions that lead to these kinds of human induced
catastrophes? What are the interests (emotions?) that override
ethical action? Once started they are quite predictable. <br>
</p>
<p>Or am I totally missing the point of the power of emotions, their
predictable consequences and their entanglement in language? <br>
</p>
<p>-Eric <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/10/2024 1:37 PM, Stuart Kauffman
wrote:<br>
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Thanks Kate, Eric, Pedro and All. I am fascinated by the entire
topic of the evolution of emotion. Presumably the diversification
of emotion along with morphology, behavior, and mind was typically
of selective advantage. All have grown more complex and diverse in
3.8 billion years. Consider “Schadenfreude”, the pleasure at the
pain of another. Why did that evolve? Is it a Gould Spandrel? I
guess the ethologists know a lot. I am very ingnorant. As some of
you know, Andrea Roli and I wrote, "A Third Transition in
Science?”, J. Roy. Sci. Interface. We think we demonstrate that we
cannot deduce the evolution of the biosphere or economy or
culture. We do not even know what CAN happen, so cannot reason
about these issues. What are the roles of emotion and ethics in
this context?
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Stu</div>
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<div>On Apr 10, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Eric Werner
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<p><b><font size="5">Science of the self</font></b><br>
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Emotions from my perspective are fundamentally
social. Here are some brief thoughts. <br>
<br>
The science of emotions is part of the the science
of the self. While there is a lot of work done in
various fields on the the science of the self, it
has not fit well with the classic Newtonian Science
of the Outside. <br>
<br>
Fundamental to the science of the self is the
science of the social and the science of the social
mind. The latter involves understanding the science
of the interaction between social minds and the
birth of emotion in the social mind. <br>
<br>
The development of the self forms in part through
the interaction with the other. This other is
projected as having an emotional mind. <br>
<br>
The formation of the boundaries of the self and
other is fundamental to the birth of the self.
Impingement on boundaries is a form of denial of the
other and can be destructive of the self. <br>
<br>
In mammals the mother child interaction is
fundamental and formative of the self. <br>
<br>
Also fundamental to animal and plant cooperation is
sexual cooperation. This has it roots in the
cooperation between the two parental genomes. And
goes all the way up the hierarchy to male and female
cooperative interaction to produce an other, a new
self. <br>
<br>
Communication involves information transfer by way
of operators on the representation of the other and
of the self by the self; transforming the self's
representation of self and other.<br>
<br>
Fundamental to the mother-child relation is bonding,
a delicate balance of emotional boundaries. <br>
<br>
Complex vertebrates have non-binary, complex
emotional states that involve the representation of
intentions of self and other. Most emotional states
ride on top of and at the same time are entangled
and contribute to these complex
informational-intentional-evaluative states. <br>
<br>
Emotion is thus intertwined with the self's
representation of self, of the outside, of the
other, of intentions and what is the case. It forms
a complex possibility space. <br>
<br>
It is this complex possibility space that is
difficult to disentangle from emotional states. <br>
<br>
The drives of Freud, the empathy of Winnecott and
Kohut and so many more are all non reductionist
attempts to understand and form a science of the
self and its emotional bedrock. More themes:
Utility-plans-expectations<br>
<br>
Sorry a bit abstract but gets to the essence of my
understanding of emotional social communicative
states of self and other.<br>
<br>
-Eric <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/24 8:55 PM, Pedro
C. Marijuán wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Kate and FIS
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just a short note
addressed to those who were looking for
clarifications. In the bibliography there is an
excellent synthesis paper (XII) where most of the
presented points are far better developed,
particularly in the evolutionary aspects, which I
consider become the gist of this whole approach.
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style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Emotions
have been one of the victims of "the first
transition" (echoing Stuart's theme on the
Newtonian), treating living beings , including
humans, as mass points ("atoms" without inner
drives), merely a result of of the push and pull
of external, deterministic, physical forces
(taken from Markos and Svorcova 2019) and
fundamentally devoid of "innerness". Well,
restoring the evolutionary history of that
innerness that emerges from all living beings,
in a continuum from the first viable cells to
animal nervous systems, is what Kate discusses.
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style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Personally
I concur with most points. Perhaps with
different emphasis, and maybe cutting some of
the complexity (more concrete comments in next
days). But it clearly marks an arrival point
from which new endeavors may be envisioned. In
the parlance of philosopher Ortega y Gasset,
which I often mention, it demands the creation
of a few fundamental principles facilitating the
further advancement in this new understanding of
ourselves. <br>
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style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">By
the way, could the new AI models help in this
task? I think so! <br>
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style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Best
--Pedro</p>
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style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">PS.
Yes, Joseph, emotions do mobilize a great deal
of information 'processes'.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 08/04/2024 a las
19:05, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:1345737729.30924.1712595957708@bluewin.ch">
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content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<font size="3">Dear Kate,</font>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">The quality of your exposition
of phenomenological emotion, in its
informational aspects, should encourage all of
us to apply the best ideas we have to
supporting and strengthening it. It is in
this spirit then, that I make a criticism in
the area of logic, mentioned by Karl, and
referred to by you twice.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><i><br>
</i></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><i>Pace </i>my friend Karl,
my view is that a dichotomy cannot be made
between emotion as contemporary (timeless?)
and action that involves temporal flow.
Emotion is not a static state of some kind,
any more than information is. Your view of
emotion would seem to be consistent with an
internal flow between two</font></div>
<div><font size="3">different but both complex
states, one primarily emotionally colored and
one or more others w,hich are less so. No
dichotomy here either. There is a relation
between emotion and intuition to be explored
also.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">However, if your own view of
emotion is something dynamic, and I believe it
is, then the applicable logic cannot be
binary!</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Perhaps you were seeking a
characterization of emotion as soemthing
"logical" in view of the prestige which
standard logic still enjoys, I think.
undeservedly. As followers of Pedro's
initiative will remember (I hope), I have
proposed an alternative to standard
propositional of predicate logic that better
reflects the properties and evolution of
complex processes, in which category I would
hope that all readers would place emotion</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Like emotion, information is
not static but involves going back and forth
between complex dynamic states - being
informed and not being informed. Perhaps for
both emotion and information one should focus
on their becoming, rather than being.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">In your work, and in that of
some of the contributors to FIS, a process
interpretation is possible but it has been
largely latent or in my terms potentialized.
It would be fantastic if the non-Boolean,
non-computable aspects of emotion could help
illuminate the corresponding aspects of
information. I applaud the use of a term of
Karl again, liaison, but what <b>kind </b>of
liaisons, and what is their logic?</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
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Objet : Re: [Fis] Emotional Sentience &
Information<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="DE-AT">Dear Kate and FIS,<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="DE-AT">Emotional Sentience
and Information 24 04 08<span></span></span></p>
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<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="DE-AT">Subject introduced<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kate directs our
attention to emotions, specifically
<i><span
style="line-height:
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informational logic</span></i><i><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;line-height:
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sans-serif;background-image:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric points out:<span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;line-height:
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style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">“…</span></i><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">we need a
more clear definition of what do
you think emotions are as
related to information. … Are
they a type of information?...</span></i><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;"> a
whole bunch of different
concepts together …[need ] …
linking….</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;font-family: Arial ,
sans-serif;"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Aaron: <i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">“…evidence
related to the evolution of
various interacting forms of
life … roles of biochemical
mechanisms involved in processes
of</span> evolution,
reproduction, development,
learning and interacting with the
environment, including features of
the environment that are products
of the above relatively recent
processes, such as … social
constraints/influences.”<span></span></i></p>
<div><span
style="line-height:
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class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">In my eyes,
Kate’s concept fits well to the
contribution of a young English
woman colleague who discussed
permutations and their role in
surprisingly many fields of the
world, including genetics, maybe a
year ago. It is a pleasure to
greet a clinical psychologist
here.</span></p>
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<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0.0px
0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;">
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="2">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Context of
emotions: general, as opposed to<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">To have
emotions (to be in a state of
being subject of physio-chemical
fundaments of thinking which state
deviates in quality and/or
intensity to the usual states) is
a distinguishable experience and
it is possible to conduct a
reasonable discussion about the
subject. (This is such a case
where the eye can see itself.) As
the definition shows, the living
organism is always in a state of
being emotional, only we usually
discuss the extraordinary, as
being contrasted to the no-news
flow of status reports. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Neurology is
embedded between physiology and
psychology. It is a Black Box. Let
us consider that we have found an
alien contraption, left on Earth
by visiting extraterrestrials, and
we understand how it intakes and
how it discharges what it feeds on
(which can be information), but we
have no idea how it senses (maybe
erroneously) the well-suited
situation to flirt, do business,
hide or fight, etc. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Kate’s
proposition approaches the subject
in a fundamental way. Widening our
perspective, we say that what we
call emotion is a phenomenon that
is <i>contemporary </i>while
what we call action is in a
temporal flow. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Kate directs
our attention to the fact, that
whatever differentiation we
exercise on classifying the
material substrate of the input of
the brain, we mix together a
cocktail which nourishes tha
brain. In whichever numbering
system we differentiate the
constituents of the usual, normal
nourishment of the brain, we end
up with one maximal number for the
kinds of variants that can be
cooked up by the biochemical
kitchen of that individual.
Whether we count in liter,
centiliter, mililiter or microgram
per mililiter, there is an upper
limit for the number of
qualitative differences within a
mixture. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">We discuss
here, in colloquial speech,
emotions in the understanding that
these are extraordinary,
significant, decisive degrees of
emotional charges. In a neutral
view, all variants of possible
emotions should be considered as a
background, and the importance is
not that some mixtures lead to
agitations, illness or death, but
rather that the interchange
between emotions and actions
incessantly works, except exactly
in those cases, where there is too
much of an emotional imbalance. <span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="3">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The usual
background<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">What Kate
speaks about is the collection of
coincidences that can be
concurrently the case. For an
individual to be as usual, <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
</i>of physiological values should
be within ranges <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
</i>As colloquially understood, an
emotional state is diagnosed if
any of <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
</i>is outside the ranges of <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
</i>(Colloquially explained:
emotions in social usage of the
term: flares and ejections of the
Sun, neutral usage: the activities
of the Sun.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Having an
overall fixed numeric limit helps
in understanding how the
contemporary is interwoven with
that has been and that which shall
come. Emotions are those states of
the assembly which are at the same
time, a temporal cross-section.
Actions are sequences of states in
which everything is contemporary.
(Slicing the film into very thin
snapshots.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Which
contemporary state has evolved
from which different
contemporaneous state and to which
state of contemporaneous
coincidences will lead to, is a
complicated combinatorial
mechanism. Having a Grand Total
means the problem is solvable.<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="4">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">How Nature
does it<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Nature, bless
her heart, makes use of a
numerical discongruence within the
counting system that makes the
whole system double-focused, by a
combinatorial discongruence to the
tune of 3.4E-92 %, a very small
extent indeed. The consequences of
this small inner relative
inexactitude are felt all through
the system. Nature uses the fact,
that if the total is known, and
value of the last sudoku token is
no more a question, then in a
representation on the level of how
many guesses till you solve the
sudoku can simply do away with a
whole unit and can reset the
calculation in the fashion like
astronomers reset to a new epoch.
The same informational content
with one material unit less. The
exchange in the <b>bazaar </b></span><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">(<a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://oeis.org/A242615__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TSiukTIsFgXROB4-BcSARDP-UG1cUuxj2qtOrJnue-ru9rJkt2z5alF9jgxay7m2A4Ic8gmdRDfdU2TZV3HLtMJyhYc$"
moz-do-not-send="true">oeis.org/A242615</a>)</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> provides the
means/terms for the interchange.<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="5">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">How we do it<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Slowly and
circumspectly. Even the Himalaya
of convincing evidence that the
Sumerian way of counting works all
right will be subverted by erosion
due to periodic changes. Empirical
science shows how Nature does it,
adapting to and within itself due
to requirements posed by periodic
changes. This basic technique had
been discovered by some
protoplasma and is solidly based
in laws of physics. The
transmission happens by means of
synapses in Nature. That what is
being transmitted has been given
the name of <b>liaison</b> in a
model depicting the interactions.
Slowly, small insights will
organize into a whole idea and on
a day not so far off, one of he
learned Friends will say to a
different learned Friend, <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">So, this means<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Neurology works by using
complicated truth tables, extents,
frequencies, qualities;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> The
main idea is to use two
perspectives: <i>along </i>and <i>across
</i>time;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Using cycles from periodic
changes, one has a complete
catalog of all possible slices and
therefore of all possible
combinations of coincidences that
can be contemporary;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Nature has provided for us
elaborate tables, on which we can
measure what happens next, based
on that what is now;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
There is a gearbox between the
idea of a periodic change and such
facts which make/show it possible
that a periodic change is taking
place. This gearbox consists of
cycles;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> The
best introduction to understand
emotions and actions and
non-actions is to place 12 books
on one’s desk, sorted on
author-title, and reorder the
sequence into title-author, all
the while noting the occurrence
and properties of cycles. <span></span></span></p>
<div><span
style="line-height:
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Those books
which are <i>in transit </i>are
different to each other. Together,
they constitute a logical reality
which has its own rules,
notwithstanding the identities of
the books. Being in transit
becomes a logical universe, like
tourism is an industry as such.
What we propose is to learn the
rules of ‘transitism’ and become a
competent operator like a tourism
manager. Time is counted on the
community of books in transit in
many different ways. Nature
appears to use a <i>metronome </i>cycle
of 129 length which is
inside/outside of a <i>folding</i>
cycle, which is 128 long. <span></span></span></p>
<div><span
style="line-height:
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Thank you, Kate
for introducing the subject of how
a commutative assembly and a
sequenced assembly interact. Due
to some rigidities of the Sumerian
canon, it needs parallel to it the
Accadian canon, which deviates to
the Sumerian in following:<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;"
type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Limited
number of units (Eddington 137)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Units are
individuals (pairs of</span><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> a,b</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Their habitat
is subject to periodic changes
(resortings)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The movement
patterns of individuals due to
periodic changes draw their own
geometry (serving as a spatial
background)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The lateral
relations among elements due to
being members of cycles create a
system of <b>liaisons.</b><span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="line-height:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="line-height:
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initial;background-clip: initial;">Thanks again<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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