<div dir="auto">Instincts is the key word.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Prefabricated sequences, built on evolutionary pressures. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The fluid constituents of the brain are an own world (allegorically 'id'), which cooperates with the electricity discharge patterns (allegorically 'super ego') within the same brain. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The interaction between sequences and mixtures is indeed a field worth looking into. Google it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There must be a rational explanation for the functioning of neurology. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the explanation is rational, it can be expressed in terms that are translatable into Wittgenstein words, and be these series of 0,1.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is the terms used, the grammar of what we say. If it is grammatically impossible to sort and order logical units, because logical units have no properties one could sort and order them on, then it becomes impossible to discuss the spatial-temporal-material consequences of the units being diverse.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You may have nicer words to describe the interconnections and Interdependences between parts and wholes, or the consequences of the now for the future, fact is, that the lovely ideas need to be translated into the nuts and bolts of the structural engineer. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No one wins a pot of flowers by translating flowers and bees into sequences of bytes. The Accadians knew how to count consequences of periodic changes but only the astronomers had kept some of the knowledge from complete extinction. The Accadians did not shy from stating that they indeed can predict the future, if she is periodic. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Periodicity as such and natural rules of sorting and ordering are not sufficiently taught at schools. Recurrence makes learning possible. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cycles are an important fundamental part of the Accadian calculation. Members of a cycle are both sequenced among each other and as well share a commutative symbol (and associated rewards of that lien). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Poetry is nicer, but this model describes the proceedings within the tautologic system that is a living organism in clearly understandable words. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No one will avoid the scylla and charybdis of 32 and 97. If anyone will yet design an intelligent machine, they will need to confront the relations of 11,66 with respect to 129 and 128.  The great conjurer trick performed by Nature is played by using the these anchor constants. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Next week i shall answer Joseph's excellent points about dichotomy and belonging to groups. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Till then. </div><div dir="auto">Karl </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">eric werner <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org">eric.werner@oarf.org</a>> schrieb am Mi., 10. Apr. 2024, 15:28:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
  <div>
    <p>Hi Stu,</p>
    <p>I think you are being too pessimistic about what we can know and
      do. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Also there is a difference between knowing and understanding and
      acting.  Understanding certainly helps with what we can possibly
      know and how one might act.  But what we can say often hinders
      what we can do. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Communication, a form of action, offers more subtleties.   Often
      when truth is politically incorrect (where "correct" is defined by
      each group's special interests),  we can still make reasonable
      guesses as to what can happen even if we cannot express it and
      also stay alive.  <br>
    </p>
    <p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Nyamata_Memorial_Site_13.jpg/250px-Nyamata_Memorial_Site_13.jpg"></p>
    <p>In this week we remember the slaughter of the Tutsis by the
      Hutus.  Once started the ongoing slaughter was predictable yet no
      one stopped it.  The Clinton administration debated endlessly if
      the ongoing slaughter was technically definable as a genocide. If
      so they had to act, but by subtlety of wordings they excused
      themselves from acting. <br>
    </p>
    <p>What are the emotions that lead to these kinds of human induced
      catastrophes?  What are the interests (emotions?) that override
      ethical action?  Once started they are quite predictable. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Or am I totally missing the point of the power of emotions, their
      predictable consequences and their entanglement in language? <br>
    </p>
    <p>-Eric <br>
    </p>
    <div>On 4/10/2024 1:37 PM, Stuart Kauffman
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Thanks Kate, Eric, Pedro and All. I am fascinated by the entire
      topic of the evolution of emotion. Presumably the diversification
      of emotion along with morphology, behavior, and mind was typically
      of selective advantage. All have grown more complex and diverse in
      3.8 billion years. Consider “Schadenfreude”, the pleasure at the
      pain of another. Why did that evolve? Is it a Gould Spandrel? I
      guess the ethologists know a lot. I am very ingnorant. As some of
      you know, Andrea Roli and I wrote, "A Third Transition in
      Science?”, J. Roy. Sci. Interface. We think we demonstrate that we
      cannot deduce the evolution of the biosphere or economy or
      culture. We do not even know what CAN happen, so cannot reason
      about these issues. What are the roles of emotion and ethics in
      this context?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Best,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Stu</div>
      <div>
        <div>
          <div><br>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div>On Apr 10, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Eric Werner
                <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a> wrote:</div>
              <br>
              <div>
                
                <div>
                  <p><b><font size="5">Science of the self</font></b><br>
                    <br>
                    Emotions from my perspective are fundamentally
                    social. Here are some brief thoughts. <br>
                    <br>
                    The science of emotions is part of the the science
                    of the self.  While there is a lot of work done in
                    various fields on the the science of the self, it
                    has not fit well with the classic Newtonian Science
                    of the Outside. <br>
                    <br>
                    Fundamental to the science of the self is the
                    science of the social and the science of the social
                    mind. The latter involves understanding the science
                    of the interaction between social minds and the
                    birth of emotion in the social mind. <br>
                        <br>
                    The development of the self forms in part through
                    the interaction with the other. This other is
                    projected as having an emotional mind. <br>
                    <br>
                    The formation of the boundaries of the self and
                    other is fundamental to the birth of the self.
                    Impingement on boundaries is a form of denial of the
                    other and can be destructive of the self. <br>
                        <br>
                    In mammals the mother child interaction is
                    fundamental and formative of the self. <br>
                    <br>
                    Also fundamental to animal and plant cooperation is
                    sexual cooperation. This has it roots in the
                    cooperation between the two parental genomes. And
                    goes all the way up the hierarchy to male and female
                    cooperative interaction to produce an other, a new
                    self. <br>
                    <br>
                    Communication involves information transfer by way
                    of  operators on the representation of the other and
                    of the self  by the self; transforming the self's
                    representation of self and other.<br>
                    <br>
                    Fundamental to the mother-child relation is bonding,
                    a delicate balance of emotional boundaries. <br>
                    <br>
                    Complex vertebrates have non-binary, complex
                    emotional states that involve the representation of
                    intentions of self and other. Most emotional states
                    ride on top of and at the same time are entangled
                    and contribute to these complex
                    informational-intentional-evaluative states. <br>
                        <br>
                    Emotion is thus intertwined with the self's
                    representation of self, of the outside, of the
                    other, of intentions and what is the case. It forms
                    a complex possibility space. <br>
                     <br>
                    It is this complex possibility space that is
                    difficult to disentangle from emotional states. <br>
                    <br>
                    The drives of Freud, the empathy of Winnecott and
                    Kohut and so many more are all non reductionist
                    attempts to understand and form a science of the
                    self and its emotional bedrock. More themes: 
                    Utility-plans-expectations<br>
                    <br>
                    Sorry a bit abstract but gets to the essence of my
                    understanding of emotional social communicative
                    states of self and other.<br>
                    <br>
                    -Eric <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 4/8/24 8:55 PM, Pedro
                    C. Marijuán wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    
                    <div>Dear Kate and FIS
                      Colleagues,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Just a short note
                      addressed to those who were looking for
                      clarifications. In the bibliography there is an
                      excellent synthesis paper (XII) where most of the
                      presented points are far better developed,
                      particularly in the evolutionary aspects, which I
                      consider become the gist of this whole approach.
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white" lang="EN-US">Peil, K. T. (2014). Emotion:
                          the self-regulatory sense.</span><span><span lang="EN-US"> </span></span><i><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222" lang="EN-US">Global advances in health and
                            medicine</span></i><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white" lang="EN-US">,</span><span><span lang="EN-US"> </span></span><i><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222" lang="EN-US">3</span></i><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white" lang="EN-US">(2), 80-108.</span> <br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt">Emotions
                        have been one of the victims of "the first
                        transition" (echoing Stuart's theme on the
                        Newtonian), treating living beings , including
                        humans, as mass points ("atoms" without inner
                        drives), merely a result of of the push and pull
                        of external, deterministic, physical forces
                        (taken from Markos and Svorcova 2019) and
                        fundamentally devoid of "innerness". Well,
                        restoring the evolutionary history of that
                        innerness that emerges from all living beings,
                        in a continuum from the first viable cells to
                        animal nervous systems, is what Kate discusses. 
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt">Personally
                        I concur with most points. Perhaps with
                        different emphasis, and maybe cutting some of
                        the complexity (more concrete comments in next
                        days). But it clearly marks an arrival point
                        from which new endeavors may be envisioned. In
                        the parlance of philosopher Ortega y Gasset,
                        which I often mention, it demands the creation
                        of a few fundamental principles facilitating the
                        further advancement in this new understanding of
                        ourselves. <br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt">By
                        the way, could the new AI models help in this
                        task? I think so! <br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt">Best
                        --Pedro</p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt">PS.
                        Yes, Joseph, emotions do mobilize a great deal
                        of information 'processes'.<br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin-left:9.0pt"> <br>
                        <span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white" lang="EN-US"></span><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                      </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>El 08/04/2024 a las
                      19:05, <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
                      escribió:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      
                      <font size="3">Dear Kate,</font>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">The quality of your exposition
                          of phenomenological emotion, in its
                          informational aspects, should encourage all of
                          us to apply the best ideas we have to
                          supporting and strengthening it. It is in
                          this  spirit then, that I make a criticism in
                          the area of logic, mentioned by Karl, and
                          referred to by you twice.</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><i><br>
                          </i></font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><i>Pace </i>my friend Karl,
                          my view is that a dichotomy cannot be made
                          between emotion as contemporary (timeless?)
                          and action that involves temporal flow.
                          Emotion is not a static state of some kind,
                          any more than information is. Your view of
                          emotion would seem to be consistent with an
                          internal flow between two</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">different but both complex
                          states, one primarily emotionally colored and
                          one or more others w,hich are less so. No
                          dichotomy here either. There is a relation
                          between emotion and intuition to be explored
                          also.</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">However, if your own view of
                          emotion is something dynamic, and I believe it
                          is, then the applicable logic cannot be
                          binary!</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">Perhaps you were seeking a
                          characterization of emotion as soemthing
                          "logical" in view of the prestige which
                          standard logic still enjoys, I think.
                          undeservedly. As followers of Pedro's
                          initiative will remember (I hope), I have
                          proposed an alternative to standard
                          propositional of predicate logic that better
                          reflects the properties and evolution of
                          complex processes,  in which category I would
                          hope that all readers would place emotion</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">Like emotion, information is
                          not static but involves going back and forth
                          between complex dynamic states - being
                          informed and not being informed. Perhaps for
                          both emotion and information one should focus
                          on their becoming, rather than being.</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">In your work, and in that of
                          some of the contributors to FIS, a process
                          interpretation is possible but it has been
                          largely latent or in my terms potentialized.
                          It would be fantastic if the non-Boolean,
                          non-computable aspects of emotion could help
                          illuminate the corresponding aspects of
                          information. I applaud the use of a term of
                          Karl again, liaison, but what <b>kind </b>of
                          liaisons, and what is their logic?</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3"><br>
                        </font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></div>
                      <div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
                        </font>
                        <blockquote style="margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px">----Message
                          d'origine----<br>
                          De : <a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a><br>
                          Date : 08/04/2024 - 13:49 (E)<br>
                          À : <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
                          Objet : Re: [Fis] Emotional Sentience &
                          Information<br>
                          <br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left:1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1.0ex"> <br>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Dear Kate and FIS,<span></span></span></p>
                                  <div><span lang="DE-AT"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Emotional Sentience
                                      and Information 24 04 08<span></span></span></p>
                                  <div><span lang="DE-AT"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="1">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Subject introduced<span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kate directs our
                                    attention to emotions, specifically
                                    <i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">the
                                        informational logic</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">. <span></span></span></i></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Eric points out:<span style="font-size:10.5pt;line-height:107.0%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"></span><i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">“…</span></i><i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">we need a
                                        more clear definition of what do
                                        you think emotions are as
                                        related to information. … Are
                                        they a type of information?...</span></i><i><span style="line-height:107.0%"> a
                                        whole bunch of different
                                        concepts together …[need ] …
                                        linking….</span></i><span style="line-height:107.0%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Aaron: <i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">“…evidence
                                        related to the evolution of
                                        various interacting forms of
                                        life … roles of biochemical
                                        mechanisms involved in processes
                                        of</span> evolution,
                                      reproduction, development,
                                      learning and interacting with the
                                      environment, including features of
                                      the environment that are products
                                      of the above relatively recent
                                      processes, such as … social
                                      constraints/influences.”<span></span></i></p>
                                  <div><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">In my eyes,
                                      Kate’s concept fits well to the
                                      contribution of a young English
                                      woman colleague who discussed
                                      permutations and their role in
                                      surprisingly many fields of the
                                      world, including genetics, maybe a
                                      year ago. It is a pleasure to
                                      greet a clinical psychologist
                                      here.</span></p>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>   </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left:1.0px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1.0ex">
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="2">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Context of
                                        emotions: general, as opposed to<span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">To have
                                      emotions (to be in a state of
                                      being subject of physio-chemical
                                      fundaments of thinking which state
                                      deviates in quality and/or
                                      intensity to the usual states) is
                                      a distinguishable experience and
                                      it is possible to conduct a
                                      reasonable discussion about the
                                      subject. (This is such a case
                                      where the eye can see itself.) As
                                      the definition shows, the living
                                      organism is always in a state of
                                      being emotional, only we usually
                                      discuss the extraordinary, as
                                      being contrasted to the no-news
                                      flow of status reports. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Neurology is
                                      embedded between physiology and
                                      psychology. It is a Black Box. Let
                                      us consider that we have found an
                                      alien contraption, left on Earth
                                      by visiting extraterrestrials, and
                                      we understand how it intakes and
                                      how it discharges what it feeds on
                                      (which can be information), but we
                                      have no idea how it senses (maybe
                                      erroneously) the well-suited
                                      situation to flirt, do business,
                                      hide or fight, etc. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Kate’s
                                      proposition approaches the subject
                                      in a fundamental way. Widening our
                                      perspective, we say that what we
                                      call emotion is a phenomenon that
                                      is <i>contemporary </i>while
                                      what we call action is in a
                                      temporal flow. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Kate directs
                                      our attention to the fact, that
                                      whatever differentiation we
                                      exercise on classifying the
                                      material substrate of the input of
                                      the brain, we mix together a
                                      cocktail which nourishes tha
                                      brain. In whichever numbering
                                      system we differentiate the
                                      constituents of the usual, normal
                                      nourishment of the brain, we end
                                      up with one maximal number for the
                                      kinds of variants that can be
                                      cooked up by the biochemical
                                      kitchen of that individual.
                                      Whether we count in liter,
                                      centiliter, mililiter or microgram
                                      per mililiter, there is an upper
                                      limit for the number of
                                      qualitative differences within a
                                      mixture. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">We discuss
                                      here, in colloquial speech,
                                      emotions in the understanding that
                                      these are extraordinary,
                                      significant, decisive degrees of
                                      emotional charges. In a neutral
                                      view, all variants of possible
                                      emotions should be considered as a
                                      background, and the importance is
                                      not that some mixtures lead to
                                      agitations, illness or death, but
                                      rather that the interchange
                                      between emotions and actions
                                      incessantly works, except exactly
                                      in those cases, where there is too
                                      much of an emotional imbalance. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="3">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The usual
                                        background<span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">What Kate
                                      speaks about is the collection of
                                      coincidences that can be
                                      concurrently the case. For an
                                      individual to be as usual, <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
                                      </i>of physiological values should
                                      be within ranges <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
                                      </i>As colloquially understood, an
                                      emotional state is diagnosed if
                                      any of <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
                                      </i>is outside the ranges of <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
                                      </i>(Colloquially explained:
                                      emotions in social usage of the
                                      term: flares and ejections of the
                                      Sun, neutral usage: the activities
                                      of the Sun.)<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Having an
                                      overall fixed numeric limit helps
                                      in understanding how the
                                      contemporary is interwoven with
                                      that has been and that which shall
                                      come. Emotions are those states of
                                      the assembly which are at the same
                                      time, a temporal cross-section.
                                      Actions are sequences of states in
                                      which everything is contemporary.
                                      (Slicing the film into very thin
                                      snapshots.)<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Which
                                      contemporary state has evolved
                                      from which different
                                      contemporaneous state and to which
                                      state of contemporaneous
                                      coincidences will lead to, is a
                                      complicated combinatorial
                                      mechanism. Having a Grand Total
                                      means the problem is solvable.<span></span></span></p>
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="4">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">How Nature
                                        does it<span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Nature, bless
                                      her heart, makes use of a
                                      numerical discongruence within the
                                      counting system that makes the
                                      whole system double-focused, by a
                                      combinatorial discongruence to the
                                      tune of 3.4E-92 %, a very small
                                      extent indeed. The consequences of
                                      this small inner relative
                                      inexactitude are felt all through
                                      the system. Nature uses the fact,
                                      that if the total is known, and
                                      value of the last sudoku token is
                                      no more a question, then in a
                                      representation on the level of how
                                      many guesses till you solve the
                                      sudoku can simply do away with a
                                      whole unit and can reset the
                                      calculation in the fashion like
                                      astronomers reset to a new epoch.
                                      The same informational content
                                      with one material unit less. The
                                      exchange in the <b>bazaar </b></span><i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">(<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://oeis.org/A242615__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TSiukTIsFgXROB4-BcSARDP-UG1cUuxj2qtOrJnue-ru9rJkt2z5alF9jgxay7m2A4Ic8gmdRDfdU2TZV3HLtMJyhYc$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oeis.org/A242615</a>)</span></i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> provides the
                                      means/terms for the interchange.<span></span></span></p>
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="5">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">How we do it<span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Slowly and
                                      circumspectly. Even the Himalaya
                                      of convincing evidence that the
                                      Sumerian way of counting works all
                                      right will be subverted by erosion
                                      due to periodic changes. Empirical
                                      science shows how Nature does it,
                                      adapting to and within itself due
                                      to requirements posed by periodic
                                      changes. This basic technique had
                                      been discovered by some
                                      protoplasma and is solidly based
                                      in laws of physics. The
                                      transmission happens by means of
                                      synapses in Nature. That what is
                                      being transmitted has been given
                                      the name of <b>liaison</b> in a
                                      model depicting the interactions.
                                      Slowly, small insights will
                                      organize into a whole idea and on
                                      a day not so far off, one of he
                                      learned Friends will say to a
                                      different learned Friend, <span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">So, this means<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">           
                                      Neurology works by using
                                      complicated truth tables, extents,
                                      frequencies, qualities;<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">            The
                                      main idea is to use two
                                      perspectives: <i>along </i>and <i>across
                                      </i>time;<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">           
                                      Using cycles from periodic
                                      changes, one has a complete
                                      catalog of all possible slices and
                                      therefore of all possible
                                      combinations of coincidences that
                                      can be contemporary;<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">           
                                      Nature has provided for us
                                      elaborate tables, on which we can
                                      measure what happens next, based
                                      on that what is now;<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">           
                                      There is a gearbox between the
                                      idea of a periodic change and such
                                      facts which make/show it possible
                                      that a periodic change is taking
                                      place. This gearbox consists of
                                      cycles;<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">            The
                                      best introduction to understand
                                      emotions and actions and
                                      non-actions is to place 12 books
                                      on one’s desk, sorted on
                                      author-title, and reorder the
                                      sequence into title-author, all
                                      the while noting the occurrence
                                      and properties of cycles. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <div><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Those books
                                      which are <i>in transit </i>are
                                      different to each other. Together,
                                      they constitute a logical reality
                                      which has its own rules,
                                      notwithstanding the identities of
                                      the books. Being in transit
                                      becomes a logical universe, like
                                      tourism is an industry as such.
                                      What we propose is to learn the
                                      rules of ‘transitism’ and become a
                                      competent operator like a tourism
                                      manager. Time is counted on the
                                      community of books in transit in
                                      many different ways. Nature
                                      appears to use a <i>metronome </i>cycle
                                      of 129 length which is
                                      inside/outside of a <i>folding</i>
                                      cycle, which is 128 long. <span></span></span></p>
                                  <div><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Thank you, Kate
                                      for introducing the subject of how
                                      a commutative assembly and a
                                      sequenced assembly interact. Due
                                      to some rigidities of the Sumerian
                                      canon, it needs parallel to it the
                                      Accadian canon, which deviates to
                                      the Sumerian in following:<span></span></span></p>
                                  <ol style="margin-top:0.0cm" type="1" start="1">
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Limited
                                        number of units (Eddington 137)<span></span></span></li>
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Units are
                                        individuals (pairs of</span><i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> a,b</span></i><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">)<span></span></span></li>
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Their habitat
                                        is subject to periodic changes
                                        (resortings)<span></span></span></li>
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The movement
                                        patterns of individuals due to
                                        periodic changes draw their own
                                        geometry (serving as a spatial
                                        background)<span></span></span></li>
                                    <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The lateral
                                        relations among elements due to
                                        being members of cycles create a
                                        system of <b>liaisons.</b><span></span></span></li>
                                  </ol>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></b></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Thanks again<span></span></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Karl<span></span></span></p>
                                  <div><span style="line-height:107.0%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><br>
                                  </div>
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