<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks Kate, Eric, Pedro and All. I am fascinated by the entire topic of the evolution of emotion. Presumably the diversification of emotion along with morphology, behavior, and mind was typically of selective advantage. All have grown more complex and diverse in 3.8 billion years. Consider “Schadenfreude”, the pleasure at the pain of another. Why did that evolve? Is it a Gould Spandrel? I guess the ethologists know a lot. I am very ingnorant. As some of you know, Andrea Roli and I wrote, "A Third Transition in Science?”, J. Roy. Sci. Interface. We think we demonstrate that we cannot deduce the evolution of the biosphere or economy or culture. We do not even know what CAN happen, so cannot reason about these issues. What are the roles of emotion and ethics in this context?<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Stu</div><div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 10, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Eric Werner <eric.werner@oarf.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>

  
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  <div><p><b><font size="5">Science of the self</font></b><br>
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      Emotions from my perspective are fundamentally social. Here are
      some brief thoughts. <br>
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      The science of emotions is part of the the science of the self. 
      While there is a lot of work done in various fields on the the
      science of the self, it has not fit well with the classic
      Newtonian Science of the Outside. <br>
      <br>
      Fundamental to the science of the self is the science of the
      social and the science of the social mind. The latter involves
      understanding the science of the interaction between social minds
      and the birth of emotion in the social mind. <br>
          <br>
      The development of the self forms in part through the interaction
      with the other. This other is projected as having an emotional
      mind. <br>
      <br>
      The formation of the boundaries of the self and other is
      fundamental to the birth of the self. Impingement on boundaries is
      a form of denial of the other and can be destructive of the self.
      <br>
          <br>
      In mammals the mother child interaction is fundamental and
      formative of the self. <br>
      <br>
      Also fundamental to animal and plant cooperation is sexual
      cooperation. This has it roots in the cooperation between the two
      parental genomes. And goes all the way up the hierarchy to male
      and female cooperative interaction to produce an other, a new
      self. <br>
      <br>
      Communication involves information transfer by way of  operators
      on the representation of the other and of the self  by the self;
      transforming the self's representation of self and other.<br>
      <br>
      Fundamental to the mother-child relation is bonding, a delicate
      balance of emotional boundaries. <br>
      <br>
      Complex vertebrates have non-binary, complex emotional states that
      involve the representation of intentions of self and other. Most
      emotional states ride on top of and at the same time are entangled
      and contribute to these complex
      informational-intentional-evaluative states. <br>
          <br>
      Emotion is thus intertwined with the self's representation of
      self, of the outside, of the other, of intentions and what is the
      case. It forms a complex possibility space. <br>
       <br>
      It is this complex possibility space that is difficult to
      disentangle from emotional states. <br>
      <br>
      The drives of Freud, the empathy of Winnecott and Kohut and so
      many more are all non reductionist attempts to understand and form
      a science of the self and its emotional bedrock. More themes: 
      Utility-plans-expectations<br>
      <br>
      Sorry a bit abstract but gets to the essence of my understanding
      of emotional social communicative states of self and other.<br>
      <br>
      -Eric <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/24 8:55 PM, Pedro C. Marijuán
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Kate and FIS Colleagues,</div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just a short note addressed to those
        who were looking for clarifications. In the bibliography there
        is an excellent synthesis paper (XII) where most of the
        presented points are far better developed, particularly in the
        evolutionary aspects, which I consider become the gist of this
        whole approach.
        <p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#222222;
          background:white" lang="EN-US">Peil, K. T. (2014). Emotion:
            the self-regulatory sense.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;
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"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;
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          background:white" lang="EN-US">(2), 80-108.</span> <br>
        </p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Emotions have
          been one of the victims of "the first transition" (echoing
          Stuart's theme on the Newtonian), treating living beings ,
          including humans, as mass points ("atoms" without inner
          drives), merely a result of of the push and pull of external,
          deterministic, physical forces (taken from Markos and Svorcova
          2019) and fundamentally devoid of "innerness". Well, restoring
          the evolutionary history of that innerness that emerges from
          all living beings, in a continuum from the first viable cells
          to animal nervous systems, is what Kate discusses.  <br>
        </p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Personally I
          concur with most points. Perhaps with different emphasis, and
          maybe cutting some of the complexity (more concrete comments
          in next days). But it clearly marks an arrival point from
          which new endeavors may be envisioned. In the parlance of
          philosopher Ortega y Gasset, which I often mention, it demands
          the creation of a few fundamental principles facilitating the
          further advancement in this new understanding of ourselves. <br>
        </p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">By the way, could
          the new AI models help in this task? I think so! <br>
        </p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Best --Pedro</p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">PS. Yes, Joseph,
          emotions do mobilize a great deal of information 'processes'.<br>
        </p><p class="MsoEndnoteText" style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt"> <br>
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  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Body Text 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Body Text Indent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Body Text Indent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Block Text"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Hyperlink"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="FollowedHyperlink"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="22" QFormat="true" Name="Strong"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="20" QFormat="true" Name="Emphasis"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Document Map"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Plain Text"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="E-mail Signature"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Top of Form"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Bottom of Form"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Normal (Web)"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Acronym"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Address"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Cite"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Code"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Definition"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Keyboard"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Preformatted"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Sample"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Typewriter"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="HTML Variable"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Normal Table"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="annotation subject"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="No List"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Outline List 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Outline List 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Outline List 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Simple 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Simple 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Simple 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Classic 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Classic 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Classic 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Classic 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Colorful 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Colorful 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Colorful 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Columns 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Columns 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Columns 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Columns 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Columns 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 7"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Grid 8"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 7"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table List 8"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table 3D effects 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table 3D effects 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table 3D effects 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Contemporary"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Elegant"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Professional"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Subtle 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Subtle 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Web 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Web 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Web 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Balloon Text"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" Name="Table Grid"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" UnhideWhenUsed="true"
   Name="Table Theme"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" Name="Placeholder Text"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="1" QFormat="true" Name="No Spacing"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" SemiHidden="true" Name="Revision"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="34" QFormat="true"
   Name="List Paragraph"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="29" QFormat="true" Name="Quote"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="30" QFormat="true"
   Name="Intense Quote"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="60" Name="Light Shading Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="61" Name="Light List Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="62" Name="Light Grid Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="63" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="66" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="67" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="68" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="69" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="70" Name="Dark List Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="71" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="72" Name="Colorful List Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="73" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 6"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="19" QFormat="true"
   Name="Subtle Emphasis"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="21" QFormat="true"
   Name="Intense Emphasis"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="31" QFormat="true"
   Name="Subtle Reference"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="32" QFormat="true"
   Name="Intense Reference"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="33" QFormat="true" Name="Book Title"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="37" SemiHidden="true"
   UnhideWhenUsed="true" Name="Bibliography"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="39" SemiHidden="true"
   UnhideWhenUsed="true" QFormat="true" Name="TOC Heading"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="41" Name="Plain Table 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="42" Name="Plain Table 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="43" Name="Plain Table 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="44" Name="Plain Table 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="45" Name="Plain Table 5"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="40" Name="Grid Table Light"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46" Name="Grid Table 1 Light"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51" Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52" Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46"
   Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51"
   Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52"
   Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 1"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46"
   Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="51"
   Name="Grid Table 6 Colorful Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="52"
   Name="Grid Table 7 Colorful Accent 2"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="46"
   Name="Grid Table 1 Light Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="47" Name="Grid Table 2 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="48" Name="Grid Table 3 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="49" Name="Grid Table 4 Accent 3"/>
  <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="50" Name="Grid Table 5 Dark Accent 3"/>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 08/04/2024 a las 19:05, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" moz-do-not-send="true">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
        escribió:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1345737729.30924.1712595957708@bluewin.ch">
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        <font size="3">Dear Kate,</font>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">The quality of your exposition of
            phenomenological emotion, in its informational aspects,
            should encourage all of us to apply the best ideas we have
            to supporting and strengthening it. It is in this  spirit
            then, that I make a criticism in the area of logic,
            mentioned by Karl, and referred to by you twice.</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><i><br>
            </i></font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><i>Pace </i>my friend Karl, my view is that
            a dichotomy cannot be made between emotion as contemporary
            (timeless?) and action that involves temporal flow. Emotion
            is not a static state of some kind, any more than
            information is. Your view of emotion would seem to be
            consistent with an internal flow between two</font></div>
        <div><font size="3">different but both complex states, one
            primarily emotionally colored and one or more others w,hich
            are less so. No dichotomy here either. There is a relation
            between emotion and intuition to be explored also.</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">However, if your own view of emotion is
            something dynamic, and I believe it is, then the applicable
            logic cannot be binary!</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">Perhaps you were seeking a characterization
            of emotion as soemthing "logical" in view of the prestige
            which standard logic still enjoys, I think. undeservedly. As
            followers of Pedro's initiative will remember (I hope), I
            have proposed an alternative to standard propositional of
            predicate logic that better reflects the properties and
            evolution of complex processes,  in which category I would
            hope that all readers would place emotion</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">Like emotion, information is not static but
            involves going back and forth between complex dynamic states
            - being informed and not being informed. Perhaps for both
            emotion and information one should focus on their becoming,
            rather than being.</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">In your work, and in that of some of the
            contributors to FIS, a process interpretation is possible
            but it has been largely latent or in my terms potentialized.
            It would be fantastic if the non-Boolean, non-computable
            aspects of emotion could help illuminate the corresponding
            aspects of information. I applaud the use of a term of Karl
            again, liaison, but what <b>kind </b>of liaisons, and what
            is their logic?</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></div>
        <div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
          </font>
          <blockquote style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left:15px;">----Message
            d'origine----<br>
            De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a><br>
            Date : 08/04/2024 - 13:49 (E)<br>
            À : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
            Objet : Re: [Fis] Emotional Sentience & Information<br>
            <br>
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                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.0px
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;"> <br><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Dear Kate
                        and FIS,<span></span></span></p><div><span lang="DE-AT"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Emotional
                        Sentience and Information 24 04 08<span></span></span></p><div><span lang="DE-AT"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="1">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Subject
                          introduced<span></span></span></li>
                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal">Kate directs our attention to
                      emotions, specifically <i><span style="line-height:
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                          informational logic</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;line-height:
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                          more clear definition of what do you think
                          emotions are as related to information. … Are
                          they a type of information?...</span></i><i><span style="line-height: 107.0%;"> a whole bunch of
                          different concepts together …[need ] …
                          linking….</span></i><span style="line-height: 107.0%;font-family: Arial ,
                      sans-serif;"><span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Aaron: <i><span style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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                          related to the evolution of various
                          interacting forms of life … roles of
                          biochemical mechanisms involved in processes
                          of</span> evolution, reproduction,
                        development, learning and interacting with the
                        environment, including features of the
                        environment that are products of the above
                        relatively recent processes, such as … social
                        constraints/influences.”<span></span></i></p><div><span style="line-height:
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                      initial;background-clip: initial;">In my eyes,
                        Kate’s concept fits well to the contribution of
                        a young English woman colleague who discussed
                        permutations and their role in surprisingly many
                        fields of the world, including genetics, maybe a
                        year ago. It is a pleasure to greet a clinical
                        psychologist here.</span></p>
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                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0.0px
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                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="2">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          emotions: general, as opposed to<span></span></span></li>
                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                      initial;background-clip: initial;">To have
                        emotions (to be in a state of being subject of
                        physio-chemical fundaments of thinking which
                        state deviates in quality and/or intensity to
                        the usual states) is a distinguishable
                        experience and it is possible to conduct a
                        reasonable discussion about the subject. (This
                        is such a case where the eye can see itself.) As
                        the definition shows, the living organism is
                        always in a state of being emotional, only we
                        usually discuss the extraordinary, as being
                        contrasted to the no-news flow of status
                        reports. <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                      initial;background-clip: initial;">Neurology is
                        embedded between physiology and psychology. It
                        is a Black Box. Let us consider that we have
                        found an alien contraption, left on Earth by
                        visiting extraterrestrials, and we understand
                        how it intakes and how it discharges what it
                        feeds on (which can be information), but we have
                        no idea how it senses (maybe erroneously) the
                        well-suited situation to flirt, do business,
                        hide or fight, etc. <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        proposition approaches the subject in a
                        fundamental way. Widening our perspective, we
                        say that what we call emotion is a phenomenon
                        that is <i>contemporary </i>while what we call
                        action is in a temporal flow. <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        our attention to the fact, that whatever
                        differentiation we exercise on classifying the
                        material substrate of the input of the brain, we
                        mix together a cocktail which nourishes tha
                        brain. In whichever numbering system we
                        differentiate the constituents of the usual,
                        normal nourishment of the brain, we end up with
                        one maximal number for the kinds of variants
                        that can be cooked up by the biochemical kitchen
                        of that individual. Whether we count in liter,
                        centiliter, mililiter or microgram per
                        mililiter, there is an upper limit for the
                        number of qualitative differences within a
                        mixture. <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        here, in colloquial speech, emotions in the
                        understanding that these are extraordinary,
                        significant, decisive degrees of emotional
                        charges. In a neutral view, all variants of
                        possible emotions should be considered as a
                        background, and the importance is not that some
                        mixtures lead to agitations, illness or death,
                        but rather that the interchange between emotions
                        and actions incessantly works, except exactly in
                        those cases, where there is too much of an
                        emotional imbalance. <span></span></span></p>
                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="3">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          background<span></span></span></li>
                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        speaks about is the collection of coincidences
                        that can be concurrently the case. For an
                        individual to be as usual, <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
                        </i>of physiological values should be within
                        ranges <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
                        </i>As colloquially understood, an emotional
                        state is diagnosed if any of <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
                        </i>is outside the ranges of <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
                        </i>(Colloquially explained: emotions in social
                        usage of the term: flares and ejections of the
                        Sun, neutral usage: the activities of the Sun.)<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        overall fixed numeric limit helps in
                        understanding how the contemporary is interwoven
                        with that has been and that which shall come.
                        Emotions are those states of the assembly which
                        are at the same time, a temporal cross-section.
                        Actions are sequences of states in which
                        everything is contemporary. (Slicing the film
                        into very thin snapshots.)<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        contemporary state has evolved from which
                        different contemporaneous state and to which
                        state of contemporaneous coincidences will lead
                        to, is a complicated combinatorial mechanism.
                        Having a Grand Total means the problem is
                        solvable.<span></span></span></p>
                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="4">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          does it<span></span></span></li>
                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        her heart, makes use of a numerical
                        discongruence within the counting system that
                        makes the whole system double-focused, by a
                        combinatorial discongruence to the tune of
                        3.4E-92 %, a very small extent indeed. The
                        consequences of this small inner relative
                        inexactitude are felt all through the system.
                        Nature uses the fact, that if the total is
                        known, and value of the last sudoku token is no
                        more a question, then in a representation on the
                        level of how many guesses till you solve the
                        sudoku can simply do away with a whole unit and
                        can reset the calculation in the fashion like
                        astronomers reset to a new epoch. The same
                        informational content with one material unit
                        less. The exchange in the <b>bazaar </b></span><i><span style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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                        means/terms for the interchange.<span></span></span></p>
                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="5">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                      initial;background-origin:
                      initial;background-clip: initial;">Slowly and
                        circumspectly. Even the Himalaya of convincing
                        evidence that the Sumerian way of counting works
                        all right will be subverted by erosion due to
                        periodic changes. Empirical science shows how
                        Nature does it, adapting to and within itself
                        due to requirements posed by periodic changes.
                        This basic technique had been discovered by some
                        protoplasma and is solidly based in laws of
                        physics. The transmission happens by means of
                        synapses in Nature. That what is being
                        transmitted has been given the name of <b>liaison</b>
                        in a model depicting the interactions. Slowly,
                        small insights will organize into a whole idea
                        and on a day not so far off, one of he learned
                        Friends will say to a different learned Friend,
                        <span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        Neurology works by using complicated truth
                        tables, extents, frequencies, qualities;<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        main idea is to use two perspectives: <i>along
                        </i>and <i>across </i>time;<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        Using cycles from periodic changes, one has a
                        complete catalog of all possible slices and
                        therefore of all possible combinations of
                        coincidences that can be contemporary;<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        Nature has provided for us elaborate tables, on
                        which we can measure what happens next, based on
                        that what is now;<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        There is a gearbox between the idea of a
                        periodic change and such facts which make/show
                        it possible that a periodic change is taking
                        place. This gearbox consists of cycles;<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                        best introduction to understand emotions and
                        actions and non-actions is to place 12 books on
                        one’s desk, sorted on author-title, and reorder
                        the sequence into title-author, all the while
                        noting the occurrence and properties of cycles.
                        <span></span></span></p><div><span style="line-height:
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                        which are <i>in transit </i>are different to
                        each other. Together, they constitute a logical
                        reality which has its own rules, notwithstanding
                        the identities of the books. Being in transit
                        becomes a logical universe, like tourism is an
                        industry as such. What we propose is to learn
                        the rules of ‘transitism’ and become a competent
                        operator like a tourism manager. Time is counted
                        on the community of books in transit in many
                        different ways. Nature appears to use a <i>metronome
                        </i>cycle of 129 length which is inside/outside
                        of a <i>folding</i> cycle, which is 128 long. <span></span></span></p><div><span style="line-height:
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                      initial;background-origin:
                      initial;background-clip: initial;">Thank you, Kate
                        for introducing the subject of how a commutative
                        assembly and a sequenced assembly interact. Due
                        to some rigidities of the Sumerian canon, it
                        needs parallel to it the Accadian canon, which
                        deviates to the Sumerian in following:<span></span></span></p>
                    <ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="1">
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                          number of units (Eddington 137)<span></span></span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          individuals (pairs of</span><i><span style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          is subject to periodic changes (resortings)<span></span></span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          patterns of individuals due to periodic
                          changes draw their own geometry (serving as a
                          spatial background)<span></span></span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
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                          relations among elements due to being members
                          of cycles create a system of <b>liaisons.</b><span></span></span></li>
                    </ol><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="line-height:
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        Oxford Advanced Research Foundation <br>
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