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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Kate and FIS Colleagues,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just a short note addressed to those
who were looking for clarifications. In the bibliography there is
an excellent synthesis paper (XII) where most of the presented
points are far better developed, particularly in the evolutionary
aspects, which I consider become the gist of this whole approach.
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background:white" lang="EN-US">Peil, K. T. (2014). Emotion:
the self-regulatory sense.</span><span
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background:white" lang="EN-US">(2), 80-108.</span> <br>
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<p class="MsoEndnoteText"
style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Emotions have been
one of the victims of "the first transition" (echoing Stuart's
theme on the Newtonian), treating living beings , including
humans, as mass points ("atoms" without inner drives), merely a
result of of the push and pull of external, deterministic,
physical forces (taken from Markos and Svorcova 2019) and
fundamentally devoid of "innerness". Well, restoring the
evolutionary history of that innerness that emerges from all
living beings, in a continuum from the first viable cells to
animal nervous systems, is what Kate discusses. <br>
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<p class="MsoEndnoteText"
style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Personally I concur
with most points. Perhaps with different emphasis, and maybe
cutting some of the complexity (more concrete comments in next
days). But it clearly marks an arrival point from which new
endeavors may be envisioned. In the parlance of philosopher
Ortega y Gasset, which I often mention, it demands the creation
of a few fundamental principles facilitating the further
advancement in this new understanding of ourselves. <br>
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<p class="MsoEndnoteText"
style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">By the way, could
the new AI models help in this task? I think so! <br>
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<p class="MsoEndnoteText"
style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">Best --Pedro</p>
<p class="MsoEndnoteText"
style="margin-left:9.0pt;text-indent:-9.0pt">PS. Yes, Joseph,
emotions do mobilize a great deal of information 'processes'.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 08/04/2024 a las 19:05,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> escribió:<br>
</div>
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cite="mid:1345737729.30924.1712595957708@bluewin.ch">
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<font size="3">Dear Kate,</font>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">The quality of your exposition of
phenomenological emotion, in its informational aspects, should
encourage all of us to apply the best ideas we have to
supporting and strengthening it. It is in this spirit then,
that I make a criticism in the area of logic, mentioned by
Karl, and referred to by you twice.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><i><br>
</i></font></div>
<div><font size="3"><i>Pace </i>my friend Karl, my view is that a
dichotomy cannot be made between emotion as contemporary
(timeless?) and action that involves temporal flow. Emotion is
not a static state of some kind, any more than information is.
Your view of emotion would seem to be consistent with an
internal flow between two</font></div>
<div><font size="3">different but both complex states, one
primarily emotionally colored and one or more others w,hich
are less so. No dichotomy here either. There is a relation
between emotion and intuition to be explored also.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">However, if your own view of emotion is
something dynamic, and I believe it is, then the applicable
logic cannot be binary!</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Perhaps you were seeking a characterization of
emotion as soemthing "logical" in view of the prestige which
standard logic still enjoys, I think. undeservedly. As
followers of Pedro's initiative will remember (I hope), I have
proposed an alternative to standard propositional of predicate
logic that better reflects the properties and evolution of
complex processes, in which category I would hope that all
readers would place emotion</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Like emotion, information is not static but
involves going back and forth between complex dynamic states -
being informed and not being informed. Perhaps for both
emotion and information one should focus on their becoming,
rather than being.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">In your work, and in that of some of the
contributors to FIS, a process interpretation is possible but
it has been largely latent or in my terms potentialized. It
would be fantastic if the non-Boolean, non-computable aspects
of emotion could help illuminate the corresponding aspects of
information. I applaud the use of a term of Karl again,
liaison, but what <b>kind </b>of liaisons, and what is their
logic?</font></div>
<div><font size="3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
</font>
<blockquote style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left:15px;">----Message
d'origine----<br>
De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a><br>
Date : 08/04/2024 - 13:49 (E)<br>
À : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
Objet : Re: [Fis] Emotional Sentience & Information<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;"> <br>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Dear Kate and
FIS,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Emotional
Sentience and Information 24 04 08<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"> </span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Subject
introduced<span></span></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kate directs our attention to
emotions, specifically <i><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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informational logic</span></i><i><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;line-height:
107.0%;font-family: Arial ,
sans-serif;background-image:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric points out:<span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;line-height:
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sans-serif;background-image:
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style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
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initial;background-clip: initial;">“…</span></i><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">we need a
more clear definition of what do you think
emotions are as related to information. … Are
they a type of information?...</span></i><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;"> a whole bunch of
different concepts together …[need ] … linking….</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;font-family: Arial ,
sans-serif;"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Aaron: <i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">“…evidence
related to the evolution of various interacting
forms of life … roles of biochemical mechanisms
involved in processes of</span> evolution,
reproduction, development, learning and
interacting with the environment, including
features of the environment that are products of
the above relatively recent processes, such as …
social constraints/influences.”<span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-clip: initial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">In my eyes,
Kate’s concept fits well to the contribution of a
young English woman colleague who discussed
permutations and their role in surprisingly many
fields of the world, including genetics, maybe a
year ago. It is a pleasure to greet a clinical
psychologist here.</span></p>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;">
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="2">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
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emotions: general, as opposed to<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">To have
emotions (to be in a state of being subject of
physio-chemical fundaments of thinking which state
deviates in quality and/or intensity to the usual
states) is a distinguishable experience and it is
possible to conduct a reasonable discussion about
the subject. (This is such a case where the eye
can see itself.) As the definition shows, the
living organism is always in a state of being
emotional, only we usually discuss the
extraordinary, as being contrasted to the no-news
flow of status reports. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Neurology is
embedded between physiology and psychology. It is
a Black Box. Let us consider that we have found an
alien contraption, left on Earth by visiting
extraterrestrials, and we understand how it
intakes and how it discharges what it feeds on
(which can be information), but we have no idea
how it senses (maybe erroneously) the well-suited
situation to flirt, do business, hide or fight,
etc. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Kate’s
proposition approaches the subject in a
fundamental way. Widening our perspective, we say
that what we call emotion is a phenomenon that is
<i>contemporary </i>while what we call action is
in a temporal flow. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Kate directs
our attention to the fact, that whatever
differentiation we exercise on classifying the
material substrate of the input of the brain, we
mix together a cocktail which nourishes tha brain.
In whichever numbering system we differentiate the
constituents of the usual, normal nourishment of
the brain, we end up with one maximal number for
the kinds of variants that can be cooked up by the
biochemical kitchen of that individual. Whether we
count in liter, centiliter, mililiter or microgram
per mililiter, there is an upper limit for the
number of qualitative differences within a
mixture. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">We discuss
here, in colloquial speech, emotions in the
understanding that these are extraordinary,
significant, decisive degrees of emotional
charges. In a neutral view, all variants of
possible emotions should be considered as a
background, and the importance is not that some
mixtures lead to agitations, illness or death, but
rather that the interchange between emotions and
actions incessantly works, except exactly in those
cases, where there is too much of an emotional
imbalance. <span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="3">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The usual
background<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">What Kate
speaks about is the collection of coincidences
that can be concurrently the case. For an
individual to be as usual, <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
</i>of physiological values should be within
ranges <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
</i>As colloquially understood, an emotional state
is diagnosed if any of <i>{k<sub>1</sub>,k<sub>2</sub>,k<sub>3</sub>,…k<sub>i</sub>}
</i>is outside the ranges of <i>{r<sub>1</sub>,r<sub>2</sub>,r<sub>3</sub>,…r<sub>i</sub>}.
</i>(Colloquially explained: emotions in social
usage of the term: flares and ejections of the
Sun, neutral usage: the activities of the Sun.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Having an
overall fixed numeric limit helps in understanding
how the contemporary is interwoven with that has
been and that which shall come. Emotions are those
states of the assembly which are at the same time,
a temporal cross-section. Actions are sequences of
states in which everything is contemporary.
(Slicing the film into very thin snapshots.)<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Which
contemporary state has evolved from which
different contemporaneous state and to which state
of contemporaneous coincidences will lead to, is a
complicated combinatorial mechanism. Having a
Grand Total means the problem is solvable.<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="4">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">How Nature
does it<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Nature, bless
her heart, makes use of a numerical discongruence
within the counting system that makes the whole
system double-focused, by a combinatorial
discongruence to the tune of 3.4E-92 %, a very
small extent indeed. The consequences of this
small inner relative inexactitude are felt all
through the system. Nature uses the fact, that if
the total is known, and value of the last sudoku
token is no more a question, then in a
representation on the level of how many guesses
till you solve the sudoku can simply do away with
a whole unit and can reset the calculation in the
fashion like astronomers reset to a new epoch. The
same informational content with one material unit
less. The exchange in the <b>bazaar </b></span><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">(<a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://oeis.org/A242615__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TSiukTIsFgXROB4-BcSARDP-UG1cUuxj2qtOrJnue-ru9rJkt2z5alF9jgxay7m2A4Ic8gmdRDfdU2TZV3HLtMJyhYc$"
moz-do-not-send="true">oeis.org/A242615</a>)</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> provides the
means/terms for the interchange.<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="5">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">How we do it<span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Slowly and
circumspectly. Even the Himalaya of convincing
evidence that the Sumerian way of counting works
all right will be subverted by erosion due to
periodic changes. Empirical science shows how
Nature does it, adapting to and within itself due
to requirements posed by periodic changes. This
basic technique had been discovered by some
protoplasma and is solidly based in laws of
physics. The transmission happens by means of
synapses in Nature. That what is being transmitted
has been given the name of <b>liaison</b> in a
model depicting the interactions. Slowly, small
insights will organize into a whole idea and on a
day not so far off, one of he learned Friends will
say to a different learned Friend, <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">So, this means<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Neurology works by using complicated truth tables,
extents, frequencies, qualities;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> The
main idea is to use two perspectives: <i>along </i>and
<i>across </i>time;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Using cycles from periodic changes, one has a
complete catalog of all possible slices and
therefore of all possible combinations of
coincidences that can be contemporary;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
Nature has provided for us elaborate tables, on
which we can measure what happens next, based on
that what is now;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">
There is a gearbox between the idea of a periodic
change and such facts which make/show it possible
that a periodic change is taking place. This
gearbox consists of cycles;<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> The
best introduction to understand emotions and
actions and non-actions is to place 12 books on
one’s desk, sorted on author-title, and reorder
the sequence into title-author, all the while
noting the occurrence and properties of cycles. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Those books
which are <i>in transit </i>are different to
each other. Together, they constitute a logical
reality which has its own rules, notwithstanding
the identities of the books. Being in transit
becomes a logical universe, like tourism is an
industry as such. What we propose is to learn the
rules of ‘transitism’ and become a competent
operator like a tourism manager. Time is counted
on the community of books in transit in many
different ways. Nature appears to use a <i>metronome
</i>cycle of 129 length which is inside/outside of
a <i>folding</i> cycle, which is 128 long. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Thank you, Kate
for introducing the subject of how a commutative
assembly and a sequenced assembly interact. Due to
some rigidities of the Sumerian canon, it needs
parallel to it the Accadian canon, which deviates
to the Sumerian in following:<span></span></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0.0cm;" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Limited
number of units (Eddington 137)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Units are
individuals (pairs of</span><i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> a,b</span></i><span
style="line-height: 107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Their habitat
is subject to periodic changes (resortings)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The movement
patterns of individuals due to periodic changes
draw their own geometry (serving as a spatial
background)<span></span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
initial;background-position:
initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">The lateral
relations among elements due to being members of
cycles create a system of <b>liaisons.</b><span></span></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Thanks again<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:
107.0%;background-image:
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initial;background-size:
initial;background-repeat:
initial;background-origin:
initial;background-clip: initial;">Karl<span></span></span></p>
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