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<h1>Ecology of the social mind </h1>
<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Last night I had a vivid dream;</p>
<p>I am flying high above looking down at a man riding his bike
through a vast expanse of shallow water interspersed by small
islets of bushes. It was some place in Asia. <br>
</p>
<p>He rides quickly through shallow water. The water is clear
with a sandy bottom with a sea plants scattered here and
there. <br>
</p>
<p>He is a fisherman who is collecting the fish he has caught at
different places or nests where he has placed his hooks on
twine. <br>
</p>
<p>At one of these nests of fish I stood in the water and looked
at the fish he has caught. The fish are less than a foot
long, colored green, red and yellow. Three fish swimming
slowly in circles. They are fat, slow and easy to catch. I
grab the caught fish and cut off its large head. Then I catch
a second fish and cut off its head. Thinking I am helping the
fisherman.</p>
<p>When the fisherman arrives he is upset saying that he will be
ill because have killed more fish than one should. <br>
</p>
<p>On waking it came to me that the fisherman's belief was
obviously false. There is no connection between killing an
extra fish and his well being. It seems irrational. </p>
<p>While it seemed irrational, it is ecologically sound. </p>
<p>The belief limits his catch and insures the survival of the
fish as a whole. <br>
</p>
<p>Thus we have a locally irrational belief that is globally
rational even if untrue. The belief's truth is irrelevant to
its functional efficacy. The ecology of the whole determines
the beliefs function not its local rationality or truth. <br>
</p>
<p>Science and logic may be locally rational but globally
destructive of the human natural ecology of the global
system. <br>
</p>
<p>Local logic - global illogic and irrationality. <br>
</p>
<p>I recall when teaching philosophy in Africa and later
interacting with the Aborigines in Australia their reasoning
was clearly different than the European model, yet it worked
in their environment. As the months passed I thought I
understood the people, their way of being and thinking. Then
some thing happened or was said that made me realize I did not
understand them after all. <br>
</p>
<p>As we think of reason, logic; information and meaning perhaps
the distinction between local rationality and global
ecological rationality may be fruitful. </p>
<p>At least that's what the dream told me. Shall we listen?<br>
</p>
<p>-Eric<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
<i>
Dr. Eric Werner <br>
Oxford Advanced Research Foundation <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/15/24 8:57 PM, Gordana
Dodig-Crnkovic wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">Dear colleagues,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">In our recent discussions, one could observe a
movement towards increasingly detailed levels of analysis.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">We've moved from discussions on
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">"<b>Paradigm shifts</b>" initiated by
Yixin/Eric and Stu, to
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">(Beyond) "Formal Systems"
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">by Carlos<b>,</b> and further to
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">"Concepts"</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US"> as the foundation of "Formal Systems" (Eric)
and today<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#0D0D0D;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";background:white"
lang="EN-US">'Intuitive criterion'
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";background:white"
lang="EN-US">for concept selection as introduced by
Mariusz in his examination of 'Erroneous Concepts'.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#0D0D0D;background:white"
lang="EN-US">This seems to be the level one can hardly go
beyond.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#0D0D0D;background:white"
lang="EN-US">In this context, it may be instructive to
consider the work of the
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book""
lang="EN-US">logician Jaakko Hintikka, who has commented on
the role of intuitions within philosophical discourse. It
goes
<a
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back to Gödel and our feeling for what we believe we know</a>
- a kind of circular motion that leads us back to the
beginning.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#0D0D0D;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#0D0D0D;background:white"
lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="SV">Gordana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Fis
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> on behalf of Mariusz
Stanowski <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stanowskimariusz@wp.pl"><stanowskimariusz@wp.pl></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 15 February 2024 at 18:09<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">"fis@listas.unizar.es"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fis] "express matter and energy in
terms of information"--Digital Cheese<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p>I agree that digitization would be difficult or impossible
here. But if future scanners could copy quantum states, like
quantum computers then we could get a duplicate of the
cheese without the digitization (encoding) process. That is
when we would be dealing with Aristotelian information - an
immanent feature of matter (form of energy).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I attached a pdf of the mentioned article: "Erroneous
concepts of prominent scientists: C.F. Weizsäcker, J. A.
Wheeler, S. Wolfram, S. Lloyd, J. Schmidhuber, and M.
Vopson, resulting from misunderstanding of information and
complexity"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://drive.google.com/file/d/1grCvR5R-JJfv9v1ecpBHRalhS0aX94_4/view?usp=drive_link__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QY-yWw45S08p-qz1wVhylKrDKn713onnyUOvqB2H9OhcTsvyA-Oecnma-zHUeMsW--sS_pnoF8uOjxNszd-kzxFLzF8i$"
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<p>Best regards<br>
Mariusz<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">W dniu 15.02.2024 o 13:24, Pedro C.
Marijuán pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Mariusz & FIS Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your reply. Please, send
me your paper, it looks quite interesting.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I was thinking on a digital variation
of the info cheese. It reminds what Stuart posted weeks
ago about digitalizing the info of a painting.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let us imagine a (future) powerful
sort of scanner-mass-spectrogram, so that it could
digitalize the position of all molecules (momenta needed
too?) in a portion of the cheese.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We would get a hipermatrix of say
50,000 different molecules (assuming most microrganisms
are dead and somehow dissolved/incorporated), most of
them situated in billions or trillions of different
positions.
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Could the hypermassive data be sent
to a molecular 3-D printer and rematerialize the cheese?
Therefore, would we have completely digitalized the
cheese, putting it "in terms of information"?
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think so, for "interpretive"
reasons not difficult to follow. Partially they would
apply to Stuart's painting case too (although color
codes are more tricky to discuss than the codes needed
for heterogeneous molecular populations).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And just to close, formal systems
share the enormous advantage of computer's Moore Law,
but cannot capture the "jury rigging" of life --or in my
own parlance, the information games that life cycles
orchestrate regarding their collectively-unending
adaptation processes.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best--Pedro<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">El 14/02/2024 a las 10:51, Mariusz
Stanowski escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Dear Pedro,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I find your elaboration of Krassimir's question very
aptly pointing out the difficulty of getting to the
essence of things and understanding the objects
themselves in an increasingly complex world of human
concepts/information. The more of this information we
have to deal with, the more and more difficult it is for
us to distinguish between the more and the less
relevant, being further and further meta-reflections of
that object. It is also increasingly difficult to find
common features for all this information, that is,
information that succinctly define the object.
Therefore, I believe that if we want to understand
something we should focus on the fundamental
information, i.e. the set of the smallest number of
concepts sufficient to distinguish/define the object.
<br>
This is the principle I tried to follow in the just
published article that defines information and
complexity at the fundamental level.<br>
<a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/01655515231203644*core-collateral-purchase-access__;Iw!!D9dNQwwGXtA!T32AiE6UmQl-7n70JaaD2Z8MkqW19WQsVpbwk065JHpDk-lBrAiFGUO1bbWk5PVAYYGnnhnXoVC70zzLMwlGJJWPuR6f$"
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Information is understood here either as an Aristotelian
form or form of energy (it is worth noting that
information is a generalization of the concept of
form-shape to all other characteristics of objects), or
technically (Shannon) as an element of a collection.
Complexity, on the other hand, is here the equivalent of
information compression (in the broadest sense).<br>
The article was intentionally written in a somewhat
provocative form to draw attention to the misconceptions
arising from a lack of understanding of these key
concepts, even among well-known authorities. An example
of this is Shannon's universal attribution of
natural/physical properties to information on the basis
of similarity to thermodynamics where we deal only with
collections of gas particles, while other physical
objects/processes are not collections but complex
structures and systems.<br>
I can send PDF of the paper if you are interested.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best regards<br>
Mariusz<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">W dniu 13.02.2024 o 18:52, Pedro C.
Marijuán pisze:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This was great from Krassimir: <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Please give at least one
example, for instance, to express the cheese in
terms of information."<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I was reminded of a famous
essay I read in the 80s (or 90s) about "what's in
a cent?" (or maybe a "penny"?). It was a one or
two pages essay on the enormous web of occurrences
related to a "simple" object such as a penny. I
could not locate it any more --does anyone know
about it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, the cheese. The sheer
diversity of cheeses. The different flavor,
fragance, taste, texture, appearance... as
estimated by our senses, are some of these related
to "terms of information"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And let's go to the milk
fermentation by yeasts, bacteria, fungi... See
<a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-behind-your-cheese-180981199/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RZmBAGuqcc3WPSJ1gwPwe6Rfxa-lmx4SL77c4fRq2SuTNCAAIa_SmSVmJ8ohHfdmp1ED3LhKSC41zIBn9OYQjiPEOgPs$"
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-behind-your-cheese-180981199/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">What are the molecular
transporters, enzymes, signaling systems involved?
What are the main "molecular recognition" events?
Again: are some of these related to "terms of
information"?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And what about the lives of
those involved in the "making of"? And of the
patient "donor" animals? And the engineering and
the whole organization of the production process?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And let's go to the marketing,
web sales, use of influencers, social networks,
etc. And fundamentally, when we go to a market all
the other stories will disappear and will get
subsumed into a "price" that signals the value of
the product--into a collective information
processing that recalibrates itself at high speed.
That famous Adam Smith "invisible hand".<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, the initial question
taken literally becomes rather absurd,
fundamentalist--it is the same as if we ask for
the "physics" of the cheese or for its
"chemistry". But curiously, in this case the
information-related aspects get an upper hand. The
fact is that socially we have to handle a big,
very big system of the sciences, and we are forced
to combine, recombine their specialized
disciplinary views etc. etc. It is in this bigger
multidisciplinary context where the "physicalist"
dominance in intelligence & information
studies was discussed by Yixin-Zhong a few months
ago... quite opportune.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best--Pedro<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">El 12/02/2024 a las 22:38,
Krassimir Markov escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Carlos, <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You wrote "... express matter
and energy in terms of information".<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Simple question:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">How can it be done?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please give at least one
example, for instance, to express the cheese in
terms of information.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">With respect,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Krassimir<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.
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