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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear All,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This was great from Krassimir:
<div>"Please give at least one example, for instance, to express
the cheese in terms of information."</div>
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<div>I was reminded of a famous essay I read in the 80s (or 90s)
about "what's in a cent?" (or maybe a "penny"?). It was a one or
two pages essay on the enormous web of occurrences related to a
"simple" object such as a penny. I could not locate it any more
--does anyone know about it?</div>
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<div>Well, the cheese. The sheer diversity of cheeses. The
different flavor, fragance, taste, texture, appearance... as
estimated by our senses, are some of these related to "terms of
information"?</div>
<div>And let's go to the milk fermentation by yeasts, bacteria,
fungi... See
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-behind-your-cheese-180981199/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RZmBAGuqcc3WPSJ1gwPwe6Rfxa-lmx4SL77c4fRq2SuTNCAAIa_SmSVmJ8ohHfdmp1ED3LhKSC41zIBn9OYQjiPEOgPs$">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-behind-your-cheese-180981199/</a></div>
<div>What are the molecular transporters, enzymes, signaling
systems involved? What are the main "molecular recognition"
events? Again: are some of these related to "terms of
information"?</div>
<div>And what about the lives of those involved in the "making
of"? And of the patient "donor" animals? And the engineering and
the whole organization of the production process?</div>
<div>And let's go to the marketing, web sales, use of influencers,
social networks, etc. And fundamentally, when we go to a market
all the other stories will disappear and will get subsumed into
a "price" that signals the value of the product--into a
collective information processing that recalibrates itself at
high speed. That famous Adam Smith "invisible hand".<br>
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<div>Therefore, the initial question taken literally becomes
rather absurd, fundamentalist--it is the same as if we ask for
the "physics" of the cheese or for its "chemistry". But
curiously, in this case the information-related aspects get an
upper hand. The fact is that socially we have to handle a big,
very big system of the sciences, and we are forced to combine,
recombine their specialized disciplinary views etc. etc. It is
in this bigger multidisciplinary context where the "physicalist"
dominance in intelligence & information studies was
discussed by Yixin-Zhong a few months ago... quite opportune.</div>
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<div>Best--Pedro<br>
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El 12/02/2024 a las 22:38, Krassimir Markov escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Carlos,
<div>You wrote "... express matter and energy in terms of
information".</div>
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<div>Simple question:</div>
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<div>How can it be done?</div>
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<div>Please give at least one example, for instance, to express
the cheese in terms of information.</div>
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<div>With respect,</div>
<div>Krassimir</div>
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