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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear All,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">First, our thanks to <b>Stuart
Kauffman</b>, we have enjoyed a great New Year Lecture. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Along the Lecture it was suggested by
Stuart himself and by Gordana to continue with a presentation by
Carlos Gershenson.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Here it is: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Title: <font size="+1"><b>Can we go
beyond the limits of formal systems? </b></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Presenter: <font size="+1"><b>Carlos
Gershenson </b></font>(Centro de Ciencias de la Complejidad,
UNAM, México).</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tomorrow our colleague <b>Gordana
Dodig-Crnkovic</b> will post a brief presentation on the topic
and the lecturer.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">And afterwards, Carlos will send his
kickoff text at his earlier convenience. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Some new colleagues have joined the
list these days. They are very welcome to our debates.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">All the best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 31/01/2024 a las 17:43, Stuart
Kauffman escribió:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">To FIS Jan 31<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Hello to All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">I have very much
enjoyed the past month and all the ideas flooding back and
forth. If I may, a few summary comments:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">I ask you all to
please focus on “Is the emergence of life an expected phase
transition in the evolving universe?” Here two aspects seem
important in a discussion on information:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]-->1)<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust:
none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal;
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normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->It is true that a living
cells, a Kantian Whole with Catalytic, Constraint and Spatial
Closure, specifically constructs itself. There really is no
“separate” set of embodied instructions with dual uses as is in
von Neumann’s self - reproducing automaton. Yet Information as
“encoded bit” descriptions of a Mondrian painting also is true.
The encoded description can be sent by email and used to
construct a copy of the picture and the encoded description in
bits can be copied and stored. These two are not the same
thing. Both seem to be information. So, what do we mean by
“information”?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]-->2)<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust:
none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal;
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normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->The Third Transition in
Science also seems well founded. The same <i>object</i> has
different subsets of causal properties, any one of which might
become the basis of a new function arising by Darwinian
preadaptation. This drives the <i>open - ended</i> evolution of
the biosphere. This jury rigging is not algorithmic. No formal
system, e.g. computational Artificial Life, or algorithmic
computation on a non-embodied Universal Turing Machine can
achieve open ended evolution. Yet A Llife and the Mind as a
Computer are powerful metaphors. Both are wrong. The evolving
biosphere is not a computation at all, it is a propagating non
deducible construction entailed by no law. General Artificial
Intelligence seems ruled out. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]-->3)<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust:
none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal;
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normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->We humans jury rig, so do
Caledonian Crows. Jury rigging is not algorithmic. How do we and
crows do it? My own hunch is that qualia arise by collapse of
the wave function to a single state that “I” experience as a
qualia. Collapse of the wave function is also not a deduction. I
bet this is related to non-algorithmic jury rigging. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]-->4)<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings:
normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings:
normal;"> </span><!--[endif]-->If mind and consciousness
are related to acausal collapse of the wave function, how does
that bear on “information”? I want to say, my qualiae ARE
information about my world. With my Responsible Free Will I
choose to act in my world. This why mind evolved.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Very good wishes
to you All and warm thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;">Stu Kauffman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; font-size:
medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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