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            <td>eric werner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a></td>
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      <p>Dear All,</p>
      <p>Getting to a non QM view of information, say like playing a
        game of cards ( von Neumann again Game Theory and Economic
        Behavior), at a given point in time we have <b>real </b>possibilities
        and we have <b>pseudo </b>possibilities due to the ignorance
        of a players view of the game. <br>
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      <p>Information in the game context is highly dynamic with
        possibilities changing in time. By the way Stu I did develop a
        theory of changing sets to make possible the formalization of
        changing possibilities.  Mathematics can be quite flexible if
        you give it a twist.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>Information gain can reduce pseudo possibilities, not sure at
        the moment if it can reduce real possibilities. One thing for
        sure is that information gain can increase what a player can do
        while the pseudo possibilities are reduced  (see my theory of
        information and ability of agents). Information in a game acts
        much like a quantum <b>operator </b>on a space of
        possibilities.  In fact, I was inspired by QM to formalize
        communication theory between agents using operators on
        information states of those agents.  The main difference with QM
        is that the possibilities seem not to be epistemic (based on
        ignorance).  QM forces us out of the traditional box of how
        information is or can be formalized. <br>
      </p>
      <p><b>Hypothesis</b>: One could, perhaps view the quantum particle
        as an agent, that interferes with its own representation of its
        possibility space (e.g. the double slit). This might be the <b>foundation
          of yet another interpretation of quantum mechanics.</b> </p>
      <p>As for it from bit, John Curran (Oxford doctorate in physical
        chemistry) and I discussed for many months while we were both
        lecturing in Africa. The basic question was: What is matter? He
        brought the expertise in physics while I was the
        logician-philosopher. We made some progress.  Also discussed the
        nature and function of the Brain and consciousness  with another
        lecturer Tom Tobias a neurologist.  </p>
      <p>QM is one of the many desperate attempt by so many to
        understand consciousness, but in spite of all attempts it is
        still a mystery. Whenever, we don't understand something we jump
        into the latest mysterious physics (QM or Dark Matter or Black
        Holes) to magically give us understanding, even though we don't
        truly understand the nature mysterious science we are applying. 
        It is wrapping a mystery in a blanket [ Markov ;-) ]  and
        forgetting about it.  <br>
      </p>
      <p> I have written extensively on the foundations of information
        and possibility spaces, but unfortunately they are all in
        handwritten form in bound journals. (old school) I find that in
        writing by the time you get to the end of the sentence you
        already have a better understanding of what you are thinking.
        Typing is a bit too fast.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>One strong link with Stu of some of my previous work  is work
        on higher order states of uncertainty. Fascinating and may also
        have implications to QM.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>Enough of my Sunday Sermon for the Church or Temple of
        Information Studies. <br>
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      <p>Cheers,</p>
      <p>Eric<br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2024 3:04 PM, Stuart Kauffman
        wrote:<br>
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        Alex assuming time “flows” is a major assumption.. And how do we
        get from flowing time in QM to time as a dimension in GR?  Stu<br
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            <div>On Jan 20, 2024, at 9:52 PM, Alex Hankey <a
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                href="mailto:alexhankey@gmail.com"
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              wrote:</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">RE: (One
                  of) the mysteries of Quantum Mechanics: Which way
                  information; null measurements; no facts of the matter
                  between measurements (hence It from Bit);
                  non-locality; why when one entangled variable is
                  actualized the amplitudes of all the rest alter
                  instantaneously. <br>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">ME: Why do
                  you consider 'Time, t' an objectively real variable? <br>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">It's
                  'objectivity' is an unacknowledged assumption
                  throughout physics, but </div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">no one has
                  ever bothered to think through any of the good
                  alternatives, </div>
                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">and publish
                  on the question. <br>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
                  roman,serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394">Alex <br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 at
                  23:54, Stuart Kauffman <<a
                    href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com"
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                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Thanks Eric. The ontological reality of Potentia
                    is critical. This interpretation by Heisenberg
                    answers at least 5 or perhaps 6 of the mysteries of
                    Quantum Mechanics: Which way information; null
                    measurements; no facts of the matter between
                    measurements (hence It from Bit); non-locality; why
                    when one entangled variable is actualized the
                    amplitudes of all the rest alter instantaneously.
                    And maybe the Delayed Choice experiment.
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>If Res potentia and Res extensa is correct, it
                      really does not inherit the Mind Body problem and
                      it really does invite the hypothesis that Mind
                      actualizes potentia.  This fits the recent results
                      that almost rule out a physical cause of collapse
                      of the wave function. A physical cause cannot
                      convert a possible to an actual. And, as noted,
                      Radin and others have experimental data using the
                      two slit experiment that we can alter the outcome,
                      data at 6.49 sigma. So: we all know that, “I
                      choose between possiblities that are my options
                      now, having decided I act. Thus I convert one of
                      the Possibles in front of me into an Actual.”
                       Should we ignore this subjective data because it
                      is not intersubjective? Given Radin’s data, why
                      reject “I decide and act”, with responsible Free
                      Will? Such a Responsible Will is ruled out in
                      classical physics, and also QM if collapse of the
                      wave function really is Random. But if Mind can
                      influence the outcome, per Radin et al,
                      responsible free will is not ruled out. So let’s
                      get more data on this.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Another odd thought. Suppose we turn the
                      responsible free will issue on its head? I have
                      responsible free will. If rocks do not  have
                      responsible free will, why not? The question
                      provokes the start of at least a confused
                      wondering:  A quartz crystal is a very simple
                      system. My brain is made up of cells with
                      thousands of different proteins, RNA, lipids, DNA.
                      Both are simultaneously partly classical and
                      partly quantum (decoherence is not complete). The
                      quantum aspects of my brain must be more complex
                      than that of a crystal. Do those facts matter? I
                      find myself wondering: Do I have responsibility
                      free will, but a crystal has a <i>highly shackled</i>
                      free will? </div>
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                    <div>And if the above is correct, what is
                      Information?</div>
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                    <div>Stu<br
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                          <div>On Jan 20, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Eric Werner
                            <<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org"
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                            <div dir="auto">And yet possibilities are
                              real.  Perhaps more so than the actual 
                              <div>Eric <br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                                    <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 20,
                                      2024, at 15:54, Stuart Kauffman
                                      <<a
                                        href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi Carlos and Lou.
                                      Hm. Res potentia and Res extensa
                                      is not a <i>substance</i> dualism
                                      because potentia are not
                                      substances. It is still a dualism
                                      I guess of "Possibles some of
                                      which become Actuals". In what
                                      sense do you think the same laws
                                      apply to both, QM vs Classical
                                      Physics. In one sense Yes: both
                                      live in the Newtonian Paradigm,
                                      and it is of real interest that
                                      there is the "Unreasonable
                                      Effectiveness of Mathematics”
                                      here. Hm, Lou too, does that
                                      suggest that if the set of
                                      Possibilities are bounded and not
                                      open, mathematics can work in
                                      definable ways that it cannot work
                                      if the The Possible is open and
                                      growing and cannot be deduced?
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                                      <div>Stu 
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                                          <div><br>
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                                              <div>On Jan 20, 2024, at
                                                3:55 AM, Carlos
                                                Gershenson <<a
                                                  href="mailto:cgershen@gmail.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cgershen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
                                              <br>
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                                                <div>Hi Stu,<br
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                                                      <div><span
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                                                          style="margin:0in;font-size:medium;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Among
                                                          the
                                                          interpretations
                                                          of Quantum
                                                          Mechanics,
                                                          consider that
                                                          of Heisenberg,
                                                          1958. The
                                                          quantum state
                                                          is a “<b>potentia </b>hovering
                                                          ghost-like
                                                          between an
                                                          idea and
                                                          reality”<b>.  Potentia</b> are
                                                          neither true
                                                          nor false.
                                                          From this,
                                                          Ruth Kastner,
                                                          Mike Epperson
                                                          and I have
                                                          taken, “Res
                                                          potentia,
                                                          ontologically
                                                          real
                                                          Possibles, and
                                                          Res extensia,
                                                          ontologically
                                                          real
                                                          Actuals.  Res
                                                          potentia and
                                                          Res Extensia
                                                          does not
                                                          inherit the
                                                          Mind Body
                                                          Problem.  This
                                                          interpretation
                                                          of QM is not
                                                          Cartesian
                                                          substance
                                                          dualism
                                                          because
                                                          potenta are
                                                          not
                                                          substances. It
                                                          is not neutral
                                                          monism, which
                                                          lacks
                                                          potentia. It
                                                          is not
                                                          materialism
                                                          which lacks
                                                          potentia, and
                                                          it is not
                                                          Idealism,
                                                          which lacks
                                                          Res Extensa.</div>
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                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Just a comment on
                                                    this: Wouldn’t res
                                                    extensia be a
                                                    type/subset of res
                                                    potentia? In this
                                                    sense, you avoid the
                                                    dualism: both are
                                                    information, only
                                                    one possible (and
                                                    infinite) and
                                                    another actual (and
                                                    finite), but the
                                                    same laws should
                                                    apply to both.</div>
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                                                  Best wishes,<br>
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                                        Zaragoza.</span><br>
                                      <span>Puede encontrar toda la
                                        información sobre como tratamos
                                        sus datos en el siguiente
                                        enlace: <a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a></span><br>
                                      <span>Recuerde que si está
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                                        Ud. puede darse de baja desde la
                                        propia aplicación en el momento
                                        en que lo desee.</span><br>
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                  PERSONAL<br>
                  <br>
                  Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de
                  correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.<br>
                  Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como
                  tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a
href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                  Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria
                  Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en
                  el momento en que lo desee.<br>
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                      (M.I.T.) DSc. (Hon Causa) </span></div>
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                      (50 years)</span></div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">Professor
                      Emeritus of Biology,<br>
                      MIT World Peace University, </span></div>
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                              style="color:rgb(17,85,204)"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">2015
                              JPBMB Special Issue on Integral
                              Biomathics: Life Sciences, Mathematics and
                              Phenomenological Philosophy</a></span></div>
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Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.
Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas" moz-do-not-send="true">https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas</a>
Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.
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