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<p>Dear Stu and All you wonderful intelligent beings,</p>
<p>It is amazing how consistently, accurately and even stubbornly
embryos of a species develop into their unique unambiguous form.
This reminds one if not of equations but of formal mathematical
systems that may be applied to understand this complex process.
The advantage of abstraction is that it permits us to understand
the somewhat indefinite. <br>
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<p>Deduction also used in exchange for reasoning, a much broader
form of logic. In that sense life may indeed be very logical. Let
me be a bit more provocative: We are the artists use mathematical
methods to describe and understand, while life uses deduction
directly to infer the morphology of the embryo from the
information in the genome. </p>
<p>To reduce life to thermodynamic work really confuses levels of
information and ontology, as physicists are tempted to do when
over applying an area to where it not longer fits. The
Procrustean bed of physics may cut off the very limbs or spark of
life that gives it its unique qualities. <br>
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<p>That is not to say that physics is irrelevant and I am snuggling
up to spiritualists or any other religion. Rather it needs to be
integrated into the Kantian whole that Stu correctly emphasizes. <br>
</p>
<p>We need to integrate information, physics, intentions,
cooperative generative capacities of multiple agents via
communicative organizations as wholes. I am getting at viewing
embryos as multi agent communicating systems, as a form of social
being. <br>
</p>
<p>Add to that indefinite phase spaces where possibilities are no
longer set, well... <br>
</p>
<p>That's bit of work ahead of us!</p>
<p>-Eric </p>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I never said Nature engages in deduction, except in her variously distributed minds.
(Put this to next week if necessary.)
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Stuart Kauffman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stukauffman@gmail.com"><stukauffman@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Thanks Lou and Krassimir. And/But….
Living systems are not formal deductions. Living systems do thermodynamic work to construct themselves as physical entities. The evolving biosphere really is a non-deducible propagating construction, not an entailed deduction. Mere formal deduction constructs nothing physical, que no? Living cells are not merely passive cognizes. As open non-equilibrium chemical reaction systems they must eat or die.
BES
Stu
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Louis Kauffman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"><loukau@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Dear Krassimir,
Yes. With!
But if ‘It from Bit” means a participatory universe as with Wheeler, then we need to have
FormalMath+Cognizers
to understand and work with it.
In fact Mathematics as a Way of Thinking
is indeed Formality+Cognition.
Best,
Lou
P.S. I have a slideshow related to this theme. I will send it to Krassimir. If anyone else would like to see it, just write privately to me at
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com">loukau@gmail.com</a>
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