<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Dear Plamen</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">> There is no such thing as "Artificial Wisdom": my opinion. I am sorry.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">> To have this: you have to change the definition of what "wisdom" is.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">> There is no problem with this at all, since we have witnessed much wilder re-definitions of concepts/terms during the past 3 years, particularly from the leftist revisionists camp.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I agree with you on 'artificial wisdom', at least with current technologies. But I am curious about the lefist revisionists. Who would you include in that camp?<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I ask because it seems to me that a lot of the stretching of definitions which is happening at present is driven by the big tech corporations, who I don't imagine would happily sit around that camp fire. For example, the idea that machines 'know' anything, or that that they constitute some kind of persons that can reasonably construct an answer starting with "I", or (indeed) that what they are displaying is 'intelligence'. This distortion is a shame, because what the machines do is extraordinary in its own right. I suppose that, in addition to competitive advantage and shareholder value, this is happening partly because we don't have a more precise way of talking about these systems and what they do.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Best</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Dai</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 at 13:55, Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <<a href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com">plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">There is no such thing as "Artificial Wisdom": my opinion. I am sorry.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">To have this: you have to change the definition of what "wisdom" is.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">There is no problem with this at all, since we have witnessed much wilder re-definitions of concepts/terms during the past 3 years, particularly from the leftist revisionists camp.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">For instance, if you allow that AI can be "Alien Intelligence" like some "conspiracy" scientists*/influencers/blog writers suggest, then this might be possible. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">However, we will need to have proof of the aliens' existence and some kind of their logic/cognition/etc first.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">If this happens to be again some kind of automatic/controlled/programmed sophisticated "pattern recognition" like the present day AI (ML/DML...), I reject accepting it as wisdom at all. To be honest, many human beings in East and West (now) come along pretty well with their own programmed/controlled/suggested/induced/mesmerized intelligence cognition from outside e.g. through the media and other influences. This does not imply wisdom from them. Wisdom is typically associated with sages (Socrates, Confucius, Lao Tsu, etc.) and old people with plenty of life experience. It is also associated with whole nations as a collective capability, provided that at least 90% of their population is not used to watching TV/smartphone ads & news only. This means that only a few nations in the world like Nepal and Bhutan might be considered as wise, since they appear to be have their own mind and are resistant to external manipulation. Of course, they must have a unique culture, language, script, songs, traditions, etc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Terms like "wisdom", "intelligence" and "feelings" are genuinely human. If you want to introduce new meanings to them, you have to compare them with the human capabilities and to explain why such a distinction is made. What about inventing and using some new term to denote such novel capabilities of non-human machines/devices/aliens?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Expanding the language is much easier than creating a mess in already messy communications between human beings, even in the science disciplines which use the same terms for different things. So, why not use our human creativity to call new things and phenomena around us? Example: I searched the net some while ago before coining the unique term "integral biomathics" as a new field/discipline that should not be mixed neither with systems biology nor with any other so far available area for research. Making a clear cut distinction is so important for avoiding misunderstandings. All these folks who began reusing words and terms in conventional (English) language to define their own world and mix it with the one we have been living so far have no imagination at all. They have to design their own language and their own terms to communicate. Why should they impose their new meanings on our old languages? Because they want to rule over us. The WHO/WEF/UN folks and all the woke supporters. They are the aliens on this planet and they should talk in their own Dumbledore or Yoda language and not ours. I don't give a dime for it, because they already know what "Wisdom" is.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">All the best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Plamen</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8.1pt"><span lang="EN-GB"><font color="#073763"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" style="font-size:medium">___ ___ ___</font><span></span></font></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#073763"><b>Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov</b><span></span></font></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span lang="EN-GB"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#073763">Director Research Integral Biomathics<span></span></font></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#073763"><i><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.simeio.org/focus/about/inbioce/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U3vU6PswXxgCTghiooM9T-4MvWoM7NO7cFuVaXNi5K4OJv22G_DfxwnsYDN8oiOLPZhFDKBPXocNr7eprH24k_RXj9So$" target="_blank">InBioCe</a></span></i><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.simeio.org/focus/about/molbio2math/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U3vU6PswXxgCTghiooM9T-4MvWoM7NO7cFuVaXNi5K4OJv22G_DfxwnsYDN8oiOLPZhFDKBPXocNr7eprH24k696BNAd$" target="_blank"> –<b> </b></a><i><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.simeio.org/focus/about/inbioce/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!U3vU6PswXxgCTghiooM9T-4MvWoM7NO7cFuVaXNi5K4OJv22G_DfxwnsYDN8oiOLPZhFDKBPXocNr7eprH24k_RXj9So$" target="_blank">Integral Biomathics Centre</a> </i></span></font></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.00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    <p>Dear Yixin,</p>
    <p>As you know from my different responses regarding Wisdom and
      Meta-AI (Artificial Wisdom) I am of a rather split opinion: </p>
    <p>On the one hand, the poetic emotional side of me sees the
      necessary inclusion of an ethics of fairness for all living
      creatures. I am skeptical, like you, that AI can achieve this
      consistently. I am worried about the ramifications of using AI
      systems in a military-governmental decision making process. <br>
    </p>
    <p>On the other hand, it may well come about that Meta-AI is
      possible. Such a system poses questions, creates new problems that
      it then solves.   Such a Meta-AI system could rapidly explore
      different combinations of explicit and implicit theoretical
      assumptions. Leading to new theories about nature and the world.
      It could then propose new experiments that confirm or disconfirm
      its theory or hypotheses. It could see long range relationships,
      logical, mathematical in different specialized theories or mental
      frameworks.  Meta-AI is one of the founding cornerstones of
      General AI.  It presupposes that reasoning and not just parroting 
      can be learned in some way.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>Some more thoughts on Wisdom: <br>
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        <h1>Human wisdom is distributed and contradictory<br>
        </h1>
      </div>
      <ul>
        <li><b>AI models can contain all of human wisdom </b>-
          including conflicting Wisdom<br>
        </li>
        <li><b>Conflicting Wisdom:</b></li>
        <ul>
          <li>One societies Wisdom may be another societies doom<br>
          </li>
        </ul>
        <li><b>Realpolitik of human wisdom</b></li>
        <ul>
          <li>As soon as limited resources, come in we get conflict</li>
        </ul>
        <li><b>Imagine 10 people </b>on the land that supports 10
          people if they all share what they find among the other 10</li>
        <ul>
          <li>If they are greedy, it reduces the population</li>
          <li>It depends on if they really need 10 to find the food for
            10. If five are sufficient to survive on the same land with
            less stress, then there’s a temptation to get rid of or
            disadvange the other five</li>
          <li>Increase and search or intelligence algorithms whether a
            genetic or soft can lead to more resource findings</li>
          <li>Sharing knowledge leads to greater distributed,
            productivity and more can join the community</li>
        </ul>
        <li>T<b>he life and death struggle</b></li>
        <ul>
          <li>Imagine another group of 10 comes in to the same area that
            supports only 10. Then we get conflict. They may cooperate
            but half have to die because of limited resources.</li>
          <li>Same holds for university positions</li>
          <li>Same holds for a limited resources in well-to-do societies
            versus less able societies</li>
          <li>Taking advantage of one side's ability against the other</li>
        </ul>
        <li><b>Power Creates Laws to Perpetuate Power </b><br>
        </li>
        <ul>
          <li>Speech is regulated, prevent thought and action that may
            lead to change of the status quo of power</li>
          <li>Servants must be servile <br>
          </li>
          <li>Those in power must pretend to be generous to the extent
            that the servant does not rebel</li>
          <li>The good master (wants to be seen as Wise, knowing what is
            good for the underlings)<br>
          </li>
          <li>The parasite must not kill its host, unless or until it
            can jump to another host</li>
          <li>A parasite of a parasite leads to a hierarchy of parasites
            <br>
          </li>
        </ul>
        <li>L<b>imited Resources Disturb the Ideal of Fairness and
            Absolute Wisdom</b><br>
        </li>
        <ul>
          <li>As soon as limited resources come into play the ideal no
            longer works</li>
          <li>The group with more power in the given environment can win
            the resources</li>
          <li>With limited resources, there can be no compromise after a
            certain point of sharing</li>
        </ul>
      </ul>
      Thus my ambivalence concerning Wisdom.</div>
    <div dir="ltr"><br>
    </div>
    <div dir="ltr">Best wishes,</div>
    <div dir="ltr"><br>
    </div>
    <div dir="ltr">Eric<br>
    </div>
    <br>
    <br>
    <p></p>
    <div>On 10/25/23 2:12 PM, 钟义信 wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div>Dear Eric,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>There have many mysteries remained in wisdom. This is one of
        the reasons that the concept of AI does not involve wisdom and
        therefore AI is able to solve problem but is unable to define
        problem. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Wisdom is creative in nature but AI is not. It is my belief
        that humans can build up AI but cannot build up AW (artificial
        wisdom).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Wisdom can only be owned by humans but not by any machines.
        Do you think so? Please give comments on the point.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Best regards,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Yixin  <br>
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        发件人:"Eric Werner "<a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;<br>
        发送时间:2023年10月25日(星期三) 晚上7:00<br>
        收件人:"钟义信" <a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a>;<br>
        抄送:"Joeseph Brenner "<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>;"fis
        "<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;<br>
        主题:Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 105, Issue 12 Human Wisdom vs
        Meta-Intelligence<br>
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      <div>
        <div>Dear Yixin,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><span style="font-size:19px"><b>The Relativity and
                Realpolitik of Human Wisdom:</b></span></div>
          <div><span style="font-size:19px"><b><br>
              </b></span></div>
          <div>Once we relativize Wisdom to human beings and excluded
            from artificial intelligent systems then wisdom will vary
            over different human beings. A grandmother may have a
            different kind of wisdom then a grandfather.  It will vary
            in different cultures. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Another problem is that wisdom can be for the good of all
            or for the good of a few if it’s restricted or if it’s
            malevolent. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>“Knowing how”  is a kind of strategic wisdom that can be
            transferred from one person to another or from a AI model to
            another AI model,  robot,  or human. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To set the boundary between what is beneficial for all
            human beings may and what is not may in itself create an
            inherent contradiction. This is especially so if there is
            conflict between groups of humans or animals or even AI
            systems. <br>
            <br>
            It may be that a met-AI system may be better at
            differentiating in a neutral way between human needs because
            of its inherent nonhuman neutrality.  This of course, has
            its problems as well.  Indeed the very creation of the AI
            model may be set with bias, as is seen in the conflicts
            between leftist and rightist AI models.  Determining
            neutrality may be impossible in a social setting of diverse
            beliefs. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>What may be perceived as good for one group of humans may
            be disastrous for another group of human beings. This is
            seen clearly in the relationship between humans and animals
            where what is good for humans is not always good for say a
            pig or a cow or a duck or a chicken. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thus even the notion of being good for all human beings
            maybe beset with problems that are potentially
            insurmountable especially in the political world. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>So that is the realpolitik and relativity of human
            wisdom.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Best wishes,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Eric </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
            <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
              <blockquote type="cite">On Oct 25, 2023, at 12:25 PM, 钟义信
                <a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a> wrote:<br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Dear Joe, Eric, and colleagues,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>For the simplity of my reply I just emphase one
                  point that is, all study carried out by humans should
                  be based on human centered stand. Otherwise, humans'
                  research leads to extinguish humans themself. That
                  would be meaningless.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Best regards, <br>
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                  发件人:"Joeseph Brenner "<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>;<br>
                  发送时间:2023年10月25日(星期三) 下午5:17<br>
                  收件人:"Eric Werner" <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;"钟义信"
                  <a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a>;"fis"
                  <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;<br>
                  主题:Re: Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 105, Issue 12 Human
                  Wisdom vs Meta-Intelligence<br>
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                  <div><font size="3">Dear Yixin, Dear Eric,</font>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><font size="3">I very much welcome your
                        complexification of the notion of
                        wisdom/intelligence. First of all, it eliminates
                        the flavor of omnipotence which accompanies some
                        discourse on Artificial Intelligence.</font></div>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><font size="3">One now needs to define further
                        the characteristics of Human Centered Wisdom
                        (what Yixin has been talking about all along) so
                        that the same mistakes are not made in
                        discussing Artificial Human Centered Wisdom.</font></div>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><font size="3">My suggestion would be to look
                        at the kinds of logic ("Eastern" or "Western")
                        that are most applicable to/in the two domains.
                        Are we  sure, however, that all our objectives
                        can be achieved by reference to problem solving.
                        Of course, living with unsolved problems simply
                        carries out an additional iteration or recursion
                        step, but it might be worthwhile if this were
                        recognized explicitly.</font></div>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:large">Eric
                        concludes "It seems AHCW is more restrictive
                        than AMI". I agree, but suggest it should be
                        said that AHCW is also more restrictive than
                        HCW.</span></div>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></div>
                    <div><font size="3">Joseph <br>
                      </font>
                      <blockquote style="margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px">----Original
                        Message----<br>
                        From : <a href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org" target="_blank">eric.werner@oarf.org</a><br>
                        Date : 24/10/2023 - 10:54 (E)<br>
                        To : <a href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn" target="_blank">zyx@bupt.edu.cn</a>, <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
                        Subject : Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 105, Issue
                        12 Human Wisdom vs Meta-Intelligence<br>
                        <br>
                        <p>Dear Yixin,</p>
                        <p>Just had some clarifying thoughts while
                          taking a shower (embodied intelligence 😉)</p>
                        <p>You state: "<font size="4" face="Times New Roman">In the context of
                            technical study, wisdom means the ability to
                            define the problem, which should be good for
                            all humans if solved, and intelligence means
                            the ability to solve the problem defined by
                            wisdom."  <br>
                          </font></p>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">To
                            clarify:</font></p>
                        <ol>
                          <li><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"> Let
                              me define the ability to define the
                              problem as <b>Meta-Intelligence MI<br>
                                <br>
                              </b></font></li>
                          <li><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">And
                              define </font><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">ability to define
                              the problem, which should be<b> good for
                                all humans</b> if solved, as <b>Human-Centered-Wisdom
                              </b></font><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">HCW</font><br>
                            <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><b><br>
                              </b></font></li>
                          <li>Define <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><b> intelligence</b>
                              as the ability to solve the problem
                              defined by Meta-Intelligence or
                              Human-Centered-Wisdom <br>
                            </font></li>
                        </ol>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Under
                            these definitions, Artificial Human Centered
                            Wisdom AHCW will be a different challenge
                            than Artificial Meta Intelligence AMI <br>
                          </font></p>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Given
                            the right technology AMI may well be
                            achievable and may give different answers
                            than Artificial Human Centered Wisdom, if
                            the latter is even achievable.</font></p>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">I think
                            this clarifies the differences in
                            understanding of wisdom and the capacity to
                            intelligently solve the problems posed by
                            the different types of Wisdom. It seems AHCW
                            is more restritive than AMI. <br>
                          </font></p>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Best
                            wishes,</font></p>
                        <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Eric <br>
                          </font></p>
                        <div> On 10/24/23 9:26
                          AM, Eric Werner wrote: <br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <p>Dear Yixin, <br>
                          </p>
                          <p>I am getting a better understanding of what
                            you mean by wisdom. Thank you for your
                            patience! <br>
                          </p>
                          <p>This morning I had some thoughts described
                            below. <br>
                          </p>
                          <p>You state: "<font size="4" face="Times New Roman">In the context of
                              technical study, wisdom means the ability
                              to define the problem, which should be
                              good for all humans if solved, and
                              intelligence means the ability to solve
                              the problem defined by wisdom." <br>
                            </font></p>
                          <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">In
                              mathematics and other sciences, there is
                              the difference between proving theorems
                              and discovering a theorem. Many bright
                              mathematicians make their name by proving
                              theorems. Others like Gödel in his proof
                              of the incompleteness theorem (inherent
                              limits of the axiomatic method) linked
                              together very different concepts-methods
                              (Cantor's diagonal method and </font><span style="color:rgb(232,234,237);font-family:"Google Sans",arial,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(32,33,36);display:inline;float:none">arithmetization</span><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">) to come
                              up with a wonderful result.  Proving is
                              commonplace compared to coming up with a
                              concept. <br>
                            </font></p>
                          <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Missing
                              from the parrot-like LLMs is true
                              reasoning and questioning. <br>
                            </font></p>
                          <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">However,
                              I am not convinced that an artificial
                              intelligent-rational system would not be
                              able to formulate its own questions,
                              create new concepts and new method of
                              solving its own conundrums. <br>
                            </font></p>
                          <p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Here
                              are the other earlier thoughts of this
                              morning:</font></p>
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div>
                              <h1>Can wisdom be learned?</h1>
                            </div>
                            <ul>
                              <li>Artificial wisdom AW</li>
                              <li>Social wisdom SW</li>
                              <li>Artificial Social Wisdom ASW</li>
                              <li>Embodied AI, Embodied AW</li>
                              <li>Artificial Ethics AE</li>
                              <li>Human wisdom HW as generated by
                                experience<br>
                              </li>
                              <ul>
                                <li>Rare </li>
                                <li>There but for the grace of God go I</li>
                                <li>We often cannot understand someone
                                  until are in their shoes- experience
                                  their situation </li>
                                <li>Examples: Growing old, living in a
                                  different country or culture or
                                  region, learning or knowing a
                                  different subject, being in a war zone
                                </li>
                                <li>You have to know two or more
                                  subjects to interrelate them </li>
                              </ul>
                              <li>Artificial rationality AR</li>
                              <li>Understanding requires</li>
                              <ul>
                                <li>Information </li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>State </li>
                                  <li>Intention-Strategic<br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>Value - Emotional Info<br>
                                  </li>
                                </ul>
                                <li>Operators </li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>Transform information </li>
                                  <li>This gives the dynamics to
                                    rational thought<br>
                                  </li>
                                </ul>
                                <li>Ability or capacities </li>
                                <li>Intelligence </li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>Circular?? Rational inference</li>
                                  <li>Questioning and reasoning in self
                                    dialogue<br>
                                  </li>
                                </ul>
                                <li>Can intelligence be learned?</li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>Seems to require basic
                                    competencies-capacities<br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>Reasoning </li>
                                  <li>Social </li>
                                  <li>Emotional </li>
                                  <li>Wisdom (circular)</li>
                                </ul>
                                <li>How organized is the brain?</li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>Inherent competencies </li>
                                  <li>Modular capacities of the brain<br>
                                  </li>
                                  <ul>
                                    <li>Linguistic, visual, auditory,
                                      semantic, pragmatic, motor<br>
                                    </li>
                                  </ul>
                                </ul>
                              </ul>
                              <li>Wisdom Requires </li>
                              <ul>
                                <li>Experience</li>
                                <li>Capacities </li>
                                <li>Reasoning </li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>Dynamic</li>
                                  <li>Self reflection </li>
                                </ul>
                              </ul>
                            </ul>
                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <p>Hope this clarifies my thoughts somewhat. </p>
                          <p>In summary, I am inclined to view the
                            possibility of Artificial Wisdom AW as a
                            very real possibility. It is an open
                            question whether the Parrot-Like-LLMs will
                            ever achieve AW, but a hybrid might. </p>
                          <p>Kind regards,</p>
                          <p>Eric<br>
                          </p>
                          <div> On 10/24/23 3:58
                            AM, 钟义信 wrote: <br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Dear
                                Eric,</font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">I
                                am also very worried about the military
                                uses of AI. This is an issue on
                                technical ethics and needs the strong
                                cooperation between all governments.  </font>
                            </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">We,
                                as scientists and professors, have the
                                responsibility to promote the study of
                                technical ethics in AI. At the same
                                time, we have to pay more attentions to
                                the technical study of AI itself.</font>
                            </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">I
                                agree with you on the characters of
                                wisdom: fairness, kindness, love, for
                                all humans, for all life, and, all in
                                all, for living and developments of all
                                people.</font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">In
                                the context of technical study, wisdom
                                means the ability to define the problem,
                                which should be good for all humans if
                                solved, and intelligence means the
                                ability to solve the problem defined by
                                wisdom.</font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Keeping
                                the difference between wisdom and
                                intelligence mentioned above, it is
                                believed that intelligence can be
                                simulated by machine whereas wisdom
                                cannot be simulated by machine. In other
                                word, <u>AI cannot be creative in the
                                  meaning of unable to define the
                                  problem good for all humans in solved</u>.
                                I wonder if you agree or not.</font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                              </font> </div>
                            <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Best
                                regards,</font> </div>
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                                        Yixin ZHONG</h4>
                                      <div> AI School, BUPT </div>
                                      <div> Beijing 100876, China </div>
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                                      Werner" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>;
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                                    <div> <b>Date: </b> Mon, Oct 23,
                                      2023 05:33 PM </div>
                                    <div> <b>To: </b> "钟义信" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a>;
                                      "fis" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
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                                    <div> <b>Subject: </b> Re:
                                      [Fis]回复: Fis Digest, Vol 105,
                                      Issue 12 </div>
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                                          Dear Yixin, Ma </div>
                                        <div> <br>
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                                        <div> Thank you all for your
                                          thoughtful contributions 
                                          Krassimir, Marcus, Pedro,
                                          Yixin.  Thinking about wisdom
                                          and human nature and AI. 
                                          Recently viewing the uses of
                                          AI in weapons systems already
                                          being designed and produced by
                                          corporations that sell to
                                          governments, made me hesitate
                                          about what we are doing. We
                                          need a deep discussion about
                                          artificial intelligence in a
                                          social industrial governmental
                                          military context. <br>
                                          <h1>AI in love and war</h1>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>We
                                                walk lightly along the
                                                edge of a deep ravine, </b></i>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>where
                                                can be seen </b></i> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>the
                                                results of passions
                                                played. </b></i> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>Oh,
                                                I loved too much, </b></i>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>and
                                                by such, by such </b></i>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>is
                                                happiness thrown away.</b></i>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>I
                                                had wooed not as I
                                                should</b></i> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>a
                                                creature made of clay</b></i>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>When
                                                the angel woos the clay
                                              </b></i> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <i><b>he'd
                                                lose  his wings<br>
                                              </b></i> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <b>at
                                              the dawning of the day</b>
                                          </div>
                                          <div align="center"> <b><br>
                                            </b> </div>
                                          <div align="center"> (Adapted
                                            from a poem 'On Raglan Road'
                                            by Patrick Kavanagh) <br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <ul>
                                          <li>Wisdom in the wide human
                                            sense</li>
                                          <ul>
                                            <li>Fairness</li>
                                            <li>Kindness</li>
                                            <li>Love</li>
                                            <li>For all humans </li>
                                            <li>For all life</li>
                                          </ul>
                                          <li>Military uses of AI</li>
                                          <ul>
                                            <li>Goal directed</li>
                                            <li>Antagonistic</li>
                                            <li>Cooperative</li>
                                            <li>Destructive</li>
                                            <li>Murderous </li>
                                            <li>Anti-human</li>
                                            <li>Financially motivated</li>
                                          </ul>
                                          <li>An AI model is like a
                                            child</li>
                                          <ul>
                                            <li>It can be molded to the
                                              wishes of the user</li>
                                            <li>At the same time, it’s
                                              like a mother that
                                              responds to every wish</li>
                                            <li>It is an all knowing God</li>
                                            <li>Connected to a robotic
                                              system, it can heal, but
                                              it can also murder</li>
                                            <li>AI is a child of
                                              humankind</li>
                                            <li>All too human</li>
                                            <li>A savior and genocidal</li>
                                          </ul>
                                          <li>What will we do?<br>
                                          </li>
                                        </ul>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div lang="x-unicode"> King regards, </div>
                                    <div lang="x-unicode"> <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div lang="x-unicode"> Eric </div>
                                    <div lang="x-unicode"> <br>
                                      <div dir="ltr"> Sent from my
                                        iPhone </div>
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                                    <div> On
                                      10/22/23 9:43 AM, <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue">zyx@bupt.edu.cn</a>
                                      wrote: <br>
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                                      <div dir="auto"> Dear Eric,
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> You proposed a number of
                                          points which are interesting
                                          and important  Thank you very
                                          much! </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> I would like to discuss at
                                          least some of them not now,
                                          but a few days later because
                                          my notebook was trouble some
                                          the day  before yesterday. </div>
                                        <div> <br>
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                                        <div> Best wished, </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> Yixin <br>
                                          <br>
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                                        -------- 原始邮件 -------- <br>
                                        发件人: Eric Werner <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>
                                        <br>
                                        日期: 2023年10月19日周四 傍晚5:56 <br>
                                        收件人: 钟义信 <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a>,
                                        fis <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>
                                        <br>
                                        主 题: Re: [Fis] Fis Digest, Vol
                                        105, Issue 12 <br>
                                        <blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p>Dear Yixin,</p>
                                            <p>Can you be more specific
                                              what you mean by "change
                                              the paradigm used in AI". 
                                              It might help to give a
                                              specific example. </p>
                                            <p>*At present AI systems
                                              certainly behave as if
                                              they are goal directed. <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>*AI systems appear to
                                              have wisdom in that they
                                              can propose wise courses
                                              of action</p>
                                            <p>* What do you mean by
                                              "pure formalism"?  It
                                              seems one of the powers of
                                              formalism is to understand
                                              AI and human intelligence.
                                              <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>* It seems AI systems
                                              exhibit human-like wisdom
                                              when they offer advice or
                                              guide the actions of a
                                              virtual assistant or self
                                              driving car. The react
                                              based on the circumstances
                                              and goals of the other, at
                                              leas to an extent. <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>* Why can't a machine
                                              understand human goals and
                                              purposes if it gains a
                                              model of those from human
                                              data? <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>* Why can't an AI system
                                              have intentions? <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>My overall problem is
                                              understanding your
                                              specific criticism of the
                                              present AI paradigm? This
                                              notion seems to me to need
                                              clearer definition. <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>How would you overcome
                                              the present AI paradigm
                                              and what specifically is
                                              different when you want to
                                              "change the paradigm used
                                              in AI"???</p>
                                            <p>This is not a criticism
                                              it is a real question in
                                              trying to understand you. 
                                              At present I just don't
                                              see the difference between
                                              the present AI paradigm
                                              and your new AI paradigm.
                                              <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p>Best wishes,</p>
                                            <p>Eric <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                            <p><br>
                                            </p>
                                            <div> On 10/19/23 8:48 AM,
                                              钟义信 wrote: <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Dear
                                                  Krassimir, Dear Eric,
                                                  and Dear Colleagues,</font>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                </font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">The
                                                  discussion is going on
                                                  well thanks to all
                                                  your efforts.</font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                </font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Here
                                                  is a few points I
                                                  would like to mention
                                                  (or re-mention).</font>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                </font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(1)
                                                  The purpose of the
                                                  "declaration on
                                                  Paradigm Change in AI"
                                                  is to make an appeal
                                                  for <u>change the
                                                    paradigm used in AI.</u> </font>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                </font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(2)
                                                  There may have
                                                  different
                                                  understanding on the
                                                  concept of paradigm.
                                                  However, <u>the
                                                    concept of paradigm
                                                    for a scientific
                                                    discipline has been
                                                    re-defined as the
                                                    scientific world
                                                    view and the
                                                    associated
                                                    methodology</u> because
                                                  the scientific
                                                  worldview and its
                                                  methodology as a whole
                                                  is the only factor
                                                  that can determine
                                                  whether a scientific
                                                  discipline needs a
                                                  "revolution" (Kuhn's
                                                  language).</font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                </font> </div>
                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(3)
                                                  The major result of
                                                  "paradigm change in
                                                  AI" is <u>to change
                                                    the methodology used
                                                    in AI, including the
                                                    principles of "pure
                                                    formalism" and
                                                    "divide and conquer"</u>. 
                                                  This is because of the
                                                  fact that <u>the
                                                    former principle
                                                    leads to the
                                                    ignoring the meaning
                                                    and value and thus
                                                    leads to the loss of
                                                    understanding
                                                    ability and
                                                    explaining ability</u>
                                                  while <u>the latter
                                                    one leads to the
                                                    loss of the general
                                                    theory for AI</u>.
                                                  Note that "no
                                                  explaining ability"
                                                  and "no general
                                                  theory" are the most
                                                  typical and also most
                                                  concerned problems for
                                                  current AI.</font> </div>
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                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(4)
                                                  There is <u>difference
                                                    between human
                                                    intelligence and
                                                    human wisdom</u>.
                                                  One of the functions
                                                  of human wisdom is to
                                                  find the to-be-solved
                                                  problem which must be
                                                  meaningful for human
                                                  purpose of improving
                                                  the living and
                                                  developing. Yet, the
                                                  function of human
                                                  intelligence is to
                                                  solve the problem
                                                  defined by human
                                                  wisdom. </font> </div>
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                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(5)
                                                  Human intelligence can
                                                  be simulated by
                                                  machine. But human
                                                  wisdom cannot be
                                                  simulated by machine
                                                  because machine is
                                                  non-living beings that
                                                  has no its own purpose
                                                  and cannot understand
                                                  human purpose. No
                                                  purpose means no
                                                  wisdom.</font> </div>
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                                              <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">I
                                                  wonder if you agree or
                                                  not. Comments are
                                                  welcome!</font> </div>
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                                                        Yixin ZHONG</h4>
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                                                        BUPT </div>
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                                                        100876, China </div>
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                                                    <div> <b>From: </b> "Krassimir
                                                      Markov" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><itheaiss@gmail.com></a>; </div>
                                                    <div> <b>Date: </b> Thu,
                                                      Oct 19, 2023 03:32
                                                      AM </div>
                                                    <div> <b>To: </b> "fis"
                                                      <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;  </div>
                                                    <div> <b>Subject: </b> Re:
                                                      [Fis] Fis Digest,
                                                      Vol 105, Issue 12
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                                                        Dear Yixin, Eric
                                                        and FIS
                                                        colleagues,
                                                        <div> Let me
                                                          present some
                                                          thoughts about
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                                                          <p style="text-align:center;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" align="center"><b>The
                                                          “Intelligence”
                                                          Paradigm</b></p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">For
                                                          those who are
                                                          not familiar
                                                          with the
                                                          concepts of
                                                          "paradigm" and
                                                          "paradigm
                                                          shift", I
                                                          would
                                                          recommend
                                                          texts from
                                                          Wikipedia that
                                                          explain it
                                                          clearly
                                                          enough.</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I
                                                          myself
                                                          maintain a
                                                          neutral
                                                          position in
                                                          the dispute
                                                          between Popper
                                                          and Kuhn
                                                          regarding the
                                                          development of
                                                          science. Both
                                                          theses have
                                                          their grounds,
                                                          but at
                                                          different
                                                          levels and
                                                          stages. In
                                                          fact, in this
                                                          case, the law
                                                          of
                                                          quantitative
                                                          accumulation,
                                                          which leads to
                                                          qualitative
                                                          changes,
                                                          applies.
                                                          Obviously, in
                                                          a number of
                                                          cases the
                                                          paradigm shift
                                                          happens in
                                                          leaps and
                                                          bounds, while
                                                          in others it
                                                          happens
                                                          smoothly and
                                                          barely
                                                          perceptibly.</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">For
                                                          example, the
                                                          accumulation
                                                          of sufficient
                                                          observations
                                                          and evidences
                                                          regarding the
                                                          shape of the
                                                          earth required
                                                          a shift to a
                                                          new paradigm:
                                                          from the
                                                          "Earth is
                                                          flat" paradigm
                                                          to the "Earth
                                                          is not flat"
                                                          paradigm.</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Sometimes
                                                          opposing
                                                          paradigms can
                                                          coexist, not
                                                          negating each
                                                          other, but
                                                          complementing
                                                          each other.
                                                          For example,
                                                          this is the
                                                          case with
                                                          Euclid's fifth
                                                          postulate (the
                                                          parallel
                                                          postulate).</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The
                                                          postulate has
                                                          long been
                                                          considered
                                                          self-evident
                                                          or inevitable,
                                                          but no
                                                          evidence has
                                                          been found.
                                                          Eventually, it
                                                          was discovered
                                                          that reversing
                                                          the postulate
                                                          gave valid,
                                                          albeit
                                                          different,
                                                          geometries. A
                                                          geometry where
                                                          the
                                                          parallelism
                                                          postulate does
                                                          not hold is
                                                          known as
                                                          non-Euclidean
                                                          geometry.</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">With
                                                          regard to the
                                                          paradigm of
                                                          "intelligence"
                                                          we have a
                                                          similar
                                                          situation. We
                                                          have at least
                                                          two opposing
                                                          paradigms
                                                          based on two
                                                          opposing
                                                          postulates.</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The
                                                          first, let's
                                                          call it the
                                                          "flat
                                                          intelligence
                                                          postulate",
                                                          was well
                                                          articulated by
                                                          Yixin in his
                                                          post:</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">"Intelligence
                                                          is the ability
                                                          to solve
                                                          problems, but
                                                          not the
                                                          ability to
                                                          detect and
                                                          define
                                                          problems, the
                                                          latter of
                                                          which is one
                                                          of the
                                                          faculties of
                                                          wisdom."</p>
                                                          <p style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The
                                                          second, let's
                                                          call it the
                                                          "non-flat
                                                          intelligence
                                                          postulate",
                                                          will sound
                                                          unifying:
                                                          "Intelligence
                                                          is both the
                                                          ability to
                                                          solve problems
                                                          and the
                                                          ability to
                                                          detect and
                                                          define
                                                          problems"
                                                          (Eric), but in
                                                          different
                                                          directions in
                                                          the hierarchy
                                                          of
                                                          intelligences
                                                          (KM)". This is
                                                          how we arrive
                                                          at the idea of
                                                          cybernetic
                                                          systems, where
                                                          there is a
                                                          controller and
                                                          a controlled,
                                                          but the
                                                          controller is
                                                          connected to
                                                          the
                                                          environment
                                                          from which it
                                                          receives
                                                          controlling
                                                          influences and
                                                          is, in
                                                          practice, both
                                                          "controller"
                                                          and
                                                          "controlled",
                                                          but in
                                                          different
                                                          aspects of the
                                                          system.</p>
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                                                          be continued
                                                          ...</p>
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                                                           1. Re:
                                                        Paradigm AI - I
                                                        guess we call it
                                                        Genius (Eric
                                                        Werner) <br>
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                                                        From: Eric
                                                        Werner <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a> <br>
                                                        To: Karl
                                                        Javorszky <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><karl.javorszky@gmail.com></a> <br>
                                                        Cc: "钟义信" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a>, fis <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a> <br>
                                                        Bcc: <br>
                                                        Date: Wed, 18
                                                        Oct 2023
                                                        14:07:13 +0200 <br>
                                                        Subject: Re:
                                                        [Fis] Paradigm
                                                        AI - I guess we
                                                        call it Genius <br>
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                                                          <p>Dear Karl,</p>
                                                          <p>Thank you
                                                          for bringing
                                                          this important
                                                          point to my
                                                          attention.
                                                          Here are some
                                                          thoughts:<br>
                                                          </p>
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                                                          <h1>I guess we
                                                          call it Genius
                                                          </h1>
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                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>Difference
                                                          between
                                                          generating and
                                                          understanding
                                                          or reading</li>
                                                          <li>Super
                                                          intelligence,
                                                          requires
                                                          genius or
                                                          generational
                                                          understanding</li>
                                                          <li>Generative
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Creative
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Compositional
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Formative
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Evolutional
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Restricting,
                                                          intelligence
                                                          to
                                                          problem-solving,
                                                          dismisses,
                                                          creative acts
                                                          of composition
                                                          in science and
                                                          the arts</li>
                                                          <li>Think of
                                                          Heinz Kohut’s
                                                          formation of
                                                          the self in
                                                          psychology
                                                          versus
                                                          Freudian
                                                          reactive
                                                          psychology</li>
                                                          <li>It’s the
                                                          difference
                                                          between
                                                          discovering a
                                                          theorem, and
                                                          proving the
                                                          theorem</li>
                                                          <li>It’s the
                                                          difference
                                                          between
                                                          school-boy
                                                          problem-solving,
                                                          and Newton</li>
                                                          <li>Some
                                                          psychologists
                                                          think of
                                                          intelligence
                                                          in
                                                          relationship
                                                          to testing
                                                          people for
                                                          their ability
                                                          to cope in
                                                          educational
                                                          institutions.
                                                          They want to
                                                          see if they
                                                          are college
                                                          material or
                                                          not. <br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>With
                                                          future All
                                                          systems were
                                                          talking about
                                                          Newton level
                                                          intelligence
                                                          not college
                                                          level
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Kantian
                                                          synthetic
                                                          intelligence </li>
                                                          <li>We better
                                                          be ready for
                                                          that! If not, 
                                                          we got some
                                                          real problems.
                                                          <br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>That is
                                                          why making
                                                          these systems
                                                          social and
                                                          cooperative is
                                                          so essential.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <p>We may
                                                          quickly reach
                                                          a point where
                                                          the
                                                          compositional
                                                          creative
                                                          intelligence
                                                          of artificial
                                                          models is so
                                                          powerful, we
                                                          will not be
                                                          able to
                                                          understand
                                                          them. Not just
                                                          how they work.
                                                          We already
                                                          don't
                                                          understand how
                                                          they work now.
                                                          But their
                                                          reasoning and
                                                          new outputs
                                                          such, as for
                                                          example,
                                                          mathematical
                                                          insights.
                                                          Imagine a
                                                          system that
                                                          can reason and
                                                          develop 2,000
                                                          years of
                                                          mathematics in
                                                          a few minutes.
                                                          It is
                                                          precisely this
                                                          overarching
                                                          linking of
                                                          knowledge that
                                                          makes for real
                                                          intelligence
                                                          such as that
                                                          of Leibniz or
                                                          Newton.  The
                                                          old  school
                                                          model of
                                                          psychological
                                                          testing of
                                                          intelligence
                                                          uses a
                                                          definition of
                                                          intelligence
                                                          that is to
                                                          limiting for
                                                          AI models. AI
                                                          models are not
                                                          your evey day
                                                          student. <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>Best
                                                          wishes,</p>
                                                          <p>Eric<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <div> On
                                                          10/18/23 12:59
                                                          PM, Karl
                                                          Javorszky
                                                          wrote: <br>
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                                                          <p>Dear Eric,</p>
                                                          <p> </p>
                                                          <p>Your
                                                          statement:
                                                          „The essence
                                                          of general
                                                          intelligence
                                                          is the ability
                                                          to not only
                                                          solve an
                                                          externally
                                                          given problem
                                                          but to be
                                                          creative and
                                                          find and
                                                          define
                                                          problems.” is
                                                          at deviance to
                                                          accepted
                                                          delineations
                                                          of concepts in
                                                          the trade of
                                                          psychology.
                                                          Rohracher [1]
                                                          has defined in
                                                          1969 (and to
                                                          my knowledge,
                                                          no one has
                                                          disputed this
                                                          wording):
                                                          “Intelligence
                                                          is the degree
                                                          of efficiency
                                                          [of the CNS]
                                                          while solving
                                                          new problems.”</p>
                                                          <p>What you
                                                          refer to is
                                                          subsumed
                                                          variously
                                                          under:
                                                          creativity,
                                                          alertness,
                                                          curiosity,
                                                          vitality,
                                                          spontaneity. </p>
                                                          <p>There is
                                                          consensus in
                                                          the
                                                          epistemology
                                                          of psychology
                                                          that there can
                                                          exist no
                                                          final,
                                                          conclusive,
                                                          all-encompassing
                                                          theory of
                                                          personality
                                                          (in which
                                                          intelligence
                                                          and
                                                          adaptability/curiosity
                                                          would or would
                                                          not be
                                                          separated as
                                                          concepts),
                                                          because if
                                                          such an
                                                          ultimate,
                                                          final, true
                                                          theory of
                                                          personality
                                                          would exist,
                                                          that
                                                          assumption
                                                          would negate
                                                          the axiomatic
                                                          rule that one
                                                          can always
                                                          learn
                                                          something new,
                                                          at least about
                                                          himself. There
                                                          is, by
                                                          definition, no
                                                          end to
                                                          introspection
                                                          and
                                                          philosophy.
                                                          One can always
                                                          come up with a
                                                          new theory of
                                                          personality
                                                          and one cannot
                                                          rule out that
                                                          a new theory
                                                          of personality
                                                          would be more
                                                          reasonable,
                                                          truer, more
                                                          conclusive
                                                          than anything
                                                          that has
                                                          existed
                                                          before.</p>
                                                          <p>Psychologists
                                                          see theories
                                                          about mind and
                                                          soul in the
                                                          same way
                                                          believers see
                                                          their God. It
                                                          is impossible
                                                          to recognize
                                                          all features
                                                          of God, let
                                                          alone to
                                                          insist that
                                                          one has a
                                                          correct
                                                          reading.</p>
                                                          <p>So, if you
                                                          decide not to
                                                          distinguish
                                                          between
                                                          efficiency of
                                                          solving new
                                                          problems and
                                                          ability and
                                                          tendency
                                                          towards
                                                          finding new
                                                          problems to
                                                          solve, you are
                                                          free to do so.
                                                          Established
                                                          use of words
                                                          splits the two
                                                          personality
                                                          traits.</p>
                                                          <p>I have
                                                          prepared a
                                                          statement
                                                          about the key
                                                          word
                                                          “otherwise”.
                                                          The word is
                                                          needed to
                                                          scale the
                                                          efficiency of
                                                          mental
                                                          processes
                                                          while solving
                                                          new problems
                                                          (aka
                                                          ‘intelligence’)
                                                          by scaling the
diversity/similarity properties of alternatives. To be able to
                                                          efficiently
                                                          choose between
                                                          alternatives,
                                                          one needs to
                                                          have
                                                          alternatives
                                                          that are
                                                          different
                                                          among each
                                                          other. The
                                                          task is to
                                                          find such
                                                          collections of
                                                          symbols that
                                                          are
                                                          alternatives
                                                          to each other,
                                                          not by
                                                          machinations
                                                          by humans, but
                                                          as members of
                                                          a symbols
                                                          collection.
                                                          This task is
                                                          not easy to
                                                          solve while
                                                          using the
                                                          symbols set in
                                                          the
                                                          traditional,
                                                          Sumerian ways
                                                          only. One
                                                          needs to
                                                          assume that
                                                          symbols have
                                                          their own
                                                          properties, by
                                                          their nature,
                                                          immanent to
                                                          them. </p>
                                                          <p>Due to the
two-messages-per-week rule, the contribution shall come next week.</p>
                                                          <p>Karl</p>
                                                          <p>[1]
                                                          Rohracher, H.:
                                                          Einführung in
                                                          die
                                                          Psychologie,
                                                          Urban &
                                                          Schwarzenberg,
                                                          Wien 1951</p>
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                                                          Am Mi., 18.
                                                          Okt. 2023 um
                                                          12:01 Uhr
                                                          schrieb Eric
                                                          Werner <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>: <br>
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                                                          <p>Dear Yixin,</p>
                                                          <p>Thank you
                                                          for you
                                                          comments! <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>To your
                                                          point (2): The
                                                          essence of
                                                          general
                                                          intelligence
                                                          is the ability
                                                          to not only
                                                          solve an
                                                          externally
                                                          given problem,
                                                          but to be
                                                          creative and
                                                          find and
                                                          define
                                                          problems. For
                                                          example, given
                                                          a knowledge of
                                                          mathematics
                                                          and physics
                                                          and data to
                                                          generate new
                                                          mathematics
                                                          and new
                                                          insights into
                                                          the nature of
                                                          the world. <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>To your
                                                          point (3):
                                                          Biotechnology
                                                          and AI are
                                                          somewhat
                                                          independent
                                                          fields. AI can
                                                          help genome
                                                          research and
                                                          decoding
                                                          genomes. But
                                                          once genomes
                                                          are decoded
                                                          that
                                                          information
                                                          can be used to
                                                          construct more
                                                          general AI
                                                          models. When I
                                                          say
                                                          "architecture"
                                                          I meant the
                                                          architecture
                                                          of the human
                                                          brain encoded
                                                          in the human
                                                          genome. This
                                                          architectural
                                                          information
                                                          can be used to
                                                          guide the
                                                          structuring of
                                                          AI models be
                                                          be more potent
                                                          and more human
                                                          like.  And, AI
                                                          may well help
                                                          in the process
                                                          of structuring
                                                          its future
                                                          version. That
                                                          is what I
                                                          meant by
                                                          selfreferencing.
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>To the more
                                                          general point,
                                                          formalization
                                                          of social
                                                          information
                                                          can help guide
                                                          the
                                                          improvement of
                                                          AI models to
                                                          be more social
                                                          and have
                                                          greater
                                                          abilities in a
                                                          AI-robot
                                                          social
                                                          setting. <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>All the
                                                          best,</p>
                                                          <p>Eric <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <div> On
                                                          10/18/23 9:16
                                                          AM, 钟义信 wrote:
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Dear Eric,</font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
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                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Thank you for the interesting talk on "Paradigm
                                                          AI" from which
                                                          I learned a
                                                          lot. </font>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                          </font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">As a discussant, may I propose some of my
                                                          understanding.
                                                          Comments are
                                                          welcome. </font>
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                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(1) I appreciate your idea that saying "Physics
                                                          paradigm PPD
                                                          does not fit
                                                          well with AI
                                                          paradigm" and
                                                          "Information
                                                          paradigm PID
                                                          is a better
                                                          fit". This is
                                                          the valuable
                                                          common basis,
                                                          between you
                                                          and me,
                                                          concerning the
                                                          PPD, PID and
                                                          AI.</font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><br>
                                                          </font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(2) How to define the concept of intelligence?
                                                          This is a very
                                                          difficult
                                                          problem. To my
                                                          own
                                                          understanding,
                                                          the following
                                                          short
                                                          statement may
                                                          serve as one
                                                          of the
                                                          candidates: <u>Intelligence
                                                          is the ability
                                                          to solve
                                                          problem but
                                                          not the
                                                          ability to
                                                          find and
                                                          define
                                                          problem, the
                                                          latter of
                                                          which is one
                                                          of the
                                                          abilities for
                                                          wisdom.</u></font>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
                                                          </u></font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">(3) The paradigm for AI can be used as the
                                                          paradigm for
                                                          bio-technology
                                                          with certain
                                                          simplification
                                                          and
                                                          specialization.
                                                          This judgement
                                                          is not based
                                                          on their
                                                          "structure/architecture", 
                                                          but based on
                                                          their
                                                          "information
                                                          function" -
                                                          which is the
                                                          basic function
                                                          in both AI and
                                                          biotechnology,
                                                          that is to
                                                          seek
                                                          opportunity
                                                          for "living
                                                          (or solving
                                                          problem)" and
                                                          to avoid the
                                                          "danger (or
                                                          failing to
                                                          problem
                                                          solving)".</font>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Once again, comments and criticisms are most
                                                          welcome.</font>
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                                                          </font> </div>
                                                          <div> <font size="4" face="Times New Roman">Best regards,</font> </div>
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                                                          Yixin ZHONG</h4>
                                                          <div> AI
                                                          School, BUPT </div>
                                                          <div> Beijing
                                                          100876, China
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                                                          <div> <b>From:
                                                          </b> "Eric
                                                          Werner" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>; </div>
                                                          <div> <b>Date:
                                                          </b> Tue, Oct
                                                          17, 2023 02:32
                                                          AM </div>
                                                          <div> <b>To:
                                                          </b> "fis" <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>; </div>
                                                          <div> <b>Subject:
                                                          </b> [Fis]
                                                          Paradigm AI </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>   </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>Here are
                                                          some brief
                                                          thoughts on
                                                          Paradigms and
                                                          AI by I
                                                          presume was
                                                          written by
                                                          Yixin Zhong
                                                          since I cannot
                                                          read  Chinese.
                                                          <br>
                                                          </p>
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                                                          <h1>Paradigm
                                                          AI</h1>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>I agree
                                                          that the
                                                          physics
                                                          paradigm PPD
                                                          doesn’t fit
                                                          well with the
                                                          AI paradigm,
                                                          and that the
                                                          information
                                                          paradigm PID
                                                          is a better
                                                          fit</li>
                                                          <li>Artificial
                                                          intelligence
                                                          systems, don’t
                                                          necessarily
                                                          learn from
                                                          human beings.
                                                          In
                                                          unsupervised
                                                          learning they
                                                          learn from
                                                          data and not
                                                          from humans.</li>
                                                          <li>The
                                                          problem, and
                                                          becomes really
                                                          how to define
                                                          what
                                                          intelligence
                                                          is: Which of
                                                          the following
                                                          is it?<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>Rational
                                                          inference</li>
                                                          <li>Summarizing
                                                          large amounts
                                                          of text and
                                                          data</li>
                                                          <li>Making new
                                                          predictions
                                                          based on
                                                          scientific
                                                          theories and
                                                          available data</li>
                                                          <li>Developing
                                                          new theories
                                                          that explain
                                                          the data in
                                                          the more
                                                          succinct way,
                                                          and making new
                                                          predictions</li>
                                                          <li>Developing
                                                          new
                                                          technologies
                                                          independently
                                                          of human input</li>
                                                          <li>Planning
                                                          and executing
                                                          the actions
                                                          and intentions
                                                          of a robot</li>
                                                          <li>Having
                                                          social
                                                          intelligence</li>
                                                          <li>Being
                                                          cooperative
                                                          with a human
                                                          being in
                                                          achieving a
                                                          task </li>
                                                          <li>Interrelating
                                                          two
                                                          discipline,
                                                          such as
                                                          physics and
                                                          mathematics,
                                                          to make new
                                                          discoveries</li>
                                                          <li>Understanding,
                                                          genomes in the
                                                          way that human
                                                          beings cannot</li>
                                                          <li>Designing
                                                          new organisms
                                                          by designing
                                                          their genomes</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <li>I agree
                                                          with the
                                                          language of a
                                                          new paradigm,
                                                          such as
                                                          artificial
                                                          intelligence
                                                          will develop
                                                          slowly step by
                                                          step in
                                                          conjunction
                                                          with its use
                                                          -both
                                                          conceptually
                                                          and
                                                          experimentally
                                                          .</li>
                                                          <li>In a new
                                                          paradigm
                                                          entire new
                                                          language is
                                                          created as a
                                                          paradigm is
                                                          developed</li>
                                                          <li>The
                                                          language
                                                          evolves in
                                                          concert with a
                                                          new ontology
                                                          suggested by
                                                          the paradigm</li>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>It is an
                                                          ontology of
                                                          objects,
                                                          technologies,
                                                          actions, and
                                                          strategies</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <li>What will
                                                          be
                                                          particularly
                                                          interesting,
                                                          is the <b><font size="5">linking
                                                          of the
                                                          paradigm of
                                                          artificial
                                                          intelligence
                                                          with the
                                                          paradigm of
                                                          biotechnology</font></b></li>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>Biotechnology
                                                          and AI will
                                                          truly link the
                                                          human brain
                                                          with the
                                                          artificial
                                                          brain</li>
                                                          <li>The genome
                                                          of the natural
                                                          brain will be
                                                          reflected in
                                                          the
                                                          architecture
                                                          of the
                                                          artificial
                                                          brain</li>
                                                          <li>Hence by
                                                          using AI to
                                                          decode the
                                                          genome of the
                                                          natural brain,
                                                          it will be
                                                          self-reflected
                                                          in the design
                                                          of the
                                                          developing
                                                          artificial
                                                          brain </li>
                                                          <li>This will
                                                          bring
                                                          unprecedented
                                                          social and
                                                          rational
                                                          functionality
                                                          to the
                                                          artificial
                                                          brain </li>
                                                          <li>Note that
                                                          the
                                                          biotech-genome
                                                          paradigm also
                                                          is founded on
                                                          the
                                                          information
                                                          paradigm.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p>Thank you
                                                          Yixin Zhong
                                                          for your input
                                                          and
                                                          emphasizing
                                                          the intimate
                                                          relationship
                                                          of information
                                                          and AI
                                                          paradigms. <br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>Best
                                                          wishes,</p>
                                                          <p>Eric <br>
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