<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">In scientific communities, evolving criteria for acceptable information goes on all the time and is<div class="">a marker for freedom of thought, not for censorship. At the same time, it is the case that such communities often are caught in orthodoxies and fixed </div><div class="">viewpoints that require certain generations to simply die out to be rectified. We make progress in scientific knowing by having evolving criteria for </div><div class="">acceptable results. Note also that the criterion for acceptability is the independent production of those results by other researchers. Under such conditions this is the </div><div class="">opposite of censorship. Alas, sociological and political results are much harder to reproduce. But it is nevertheless possible to discriminate between</div><div class="">lies, fabrications and actual accounts of events. I say possible and to the extent that people are educated to think for themselves and to think critically, it becomes more</div><div class="">possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:24 AM, konstantin lidin <<a href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="">lidinkl@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="elementToProof ContentPasted0" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">the concept of disinformation is completely subjective.<div class="ContentPasted0">According to Shannon, lies (noise) this is irrelevant information. Relevance is compliance with the goals of the participants in the information transfer process. Any message is relevant (truthful) if it corresponds to the picture of the world of the sender and recipient of the message. For example, a message about the existence of demons is truthful information for a believer in demons, but the same message is disinformation for an atheist.</div>Declarations on combating disinformation are a reason for the introduction of stricter censorship by EU and EC officials. Obviously, if this project is implemented, special sensors will be assigned that will determine the level of reliability of messages and punish messages that contradict the official picture of the world from EC officials<br class=""></div><div id="appendonsend" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline-block; width: 725.1875px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fis <<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" class="">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>> on behalf of Michel Petitjean <<a href="mailto:petitjean.chiral@gmail.com" class="">petitjean.chiral@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>05 June 2023 02:58<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class="BodyFragment" style="font-family: Helvetica; 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