<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Thank you Paul for this response.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I'll comment on it shortly. Brian Ford can ignore my opinion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">If he wishes, he can leave the COVID-19 Therapy group.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I am only its moderator who contributes from time to time.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Of course, I also take care of the content/contributions, incl. my own. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">In my view this one about AI <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-0">+</a> gene therapy <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-1">+</a> chemtrails + nuke missiles + ..... is serious.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 12:58 AM Paul Werbos <<a href="mailto:paul.werbos@gmail.com">paul.werbos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 2:17 PM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <<a href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">BRIAN J. FORD, YOU CAN SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT COMES NEXT BELOW AS WHITE NOISE. </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto">It demonstrates confusion but it us not white noise and not safely ignored. More like a bad dream than white noise.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">It is a nightmare already, in the situation of war (with ourselves).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Musk is not alone by far by being worried about big changes coming now, but he does not know what they are because he does not understand the technology.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I am not sure, Paul. He knows enough, at least through his project Neuralink (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://neuralink.com__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRGSb5nUS$">https://neuralink.com</a>), where all this is heading to.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I do. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I do that too, since I went through all the ups and downs of the 3 waves of AI to this moment, including the expert systems hype of the 1980s and the failed 5th Generation Computing Japanese project. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The one page abstract attached gives a concise review with citations of what happened so far with Artificial General Intelligence AGI and what the next stages are. This was written for my plenary talk last year, to accept IEEE's Rosenblatt Award, the highest technical field award for the WCCI technologies duscussed in the abstract.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">This is a very good and useful outline.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> Vint Cert is widely known as fiiundernof the internet, </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">There are also other folks who can be considered as founders of the Internet, like D. Catz (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc1377.txt.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRHtyVIm4$">https://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc1377.txt.pdf</a>)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">as well as Postel, Reynolds and others (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.icir.org/rfc/rfc-std.html__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRHCTwH6P$">http://www.icir.org/rfc/rfc-std.html</a>), let alone Tim Berners-Lee, the www inventor.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I know this story quite well, since I was involved in the development and testing of another open source protocol in the 1990s which was supposed to replace TCP and IP over ATM, XTPX. But DARPA was stronger.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">for the oriticoks which create that foundation, but the machine learning revolution which is being built on that foundation use the new fundamental design principles reviewed in the abstract<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Before GAI, there were three other generations of AI, each one with its advantages and drawbacks, but all of them failed so far because of naive designs, lack of technological advancement and wrong expectations, until recently (around 2015-2017) when the new AI hype emerged under a well-organized marketing scheme. I am not afraid of that kind of technology as it is, but you know that even a pencil in the hands of a fraudulent person can become a weapon. AI can be just as intelligent (and sly) as the programmer who has written the code and the data it is fed and "teached" to process. What about a hacker, or an army of them creating viruses to block and damage critical infrastructure? How many train derailments with explosions of chemical cargo have happened in the US this year, 4-5-6? What is the relation of these accidents to those of the same kind that happened there since 2000? There is a war in Ukraine, but not only there now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">In the Baltic Sea the Nordstream 2 pipeline was destroyed. And before all that we had a COVID-19 pandemic all over the world."Good morning, Vietnam!"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"></span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I concluded that plenary talk (recorded by IEEE) by saying:</div><div dir="auto">If you meet anyone who claims to be an expert who says he knows it will end in disaster, you have met a liar. If you meet one who says he knows it will end well, you have met another liar. No one on earth knows, becauysebbit depends on choices you have to make -- design choices. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Unfortunately, there can be different design choices, some of which are destructive. Computer viruses and malware, for instance. They can come from domestic and external sources. Steven Hawking said around 2000 that he considers them as the worst threat to humanity. And we have a billionaire software guru who plays with mRNA vaccines now. What do you think is going to come next? Would the Manhattan project be initiated on time if Einstein did not have written a letter to FDR? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not just legal choices but substantive design choices.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Exactly, and software is not always bug-free. Sometimes gaps/deadlocks/loopholes in protocols and procedures are closed and disentangled after years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am very worried right now because I still see litle real focus on the real design issues out there. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I consider regulation as a design issue. Without it nothing is safe.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Everything needs regulation: medications, weapons, software/AI, before even using it in order for the world to be safe.</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">If the only forces at work are the ones which dominate duscussions now, then we really will all die.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">I regard this warning as stimulating. It can ignite the discussion on these important issues at the end. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Plamen</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRHHDnQ9c$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRLwHT_sC$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Best,</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Plamen</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div></div>
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</blockquote></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 2:17 PM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <<a href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">BRIAN J. FORD, YOU CAN SIMPLY IGNORE WHAT COMES NEXT BELOW AS WHITE NOISE. </div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRHHDnQ9c$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.foxnews.com/tech/ai-expert-warns-elon-musk-signed-letter-doesnt-enough-literally-everyone-earth-will-die</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VHm1_X9FUZfwaqguRi8w6q0ArYHmi4n3jgaVqaNrxvgfaQbFoonQWPG6WgytNt38i4OzuthjkHEXIOhw72yGRLwHT_sC$" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.unilad.com/news/microsoft-bing-ai-threatening-users-goading-it-914620-20230323</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Best,</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Plamen</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div></div>
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