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<div><span style="font-size: 18.6667px;">with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br>
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<div style=""><font size="2" style="color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jorge Navarro López <jnavarrol@unizar.es><br>
To: fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2023 3:13 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions<br>
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<div><span lang="EN-GB" style="">Hi Pedro and
FIS colleagues, <br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style=""><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style="">I will be
happy to discuss
on sentiment analysis, but perhaps there is not much interest in
the list about
this topic. Is there? <br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style=""><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style="">Best regards,</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style=""><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span lang="EN-GB" style="">Jorge</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix">El 16/03/2023 a las 14:22, Pedro C.
Marijuán escribió:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix">Dear Konstantin,</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix">Many thanks for your previous
responses. I appreciate having heard about Wilhelm Wundt's
approach to emotions, who rarely appears in the current
literature. Not being a practicing researcher in this field I
have being relying on recent literature (Ekman, Feldman,
Damasio...), rather dissatisfying for may taste. Perhaps
Panksepp, given his meaningful biological connections, is the
most interesting for me. I am trying to connect emotions with
the biological information flow as realized in the cell's
life-cycle, on the one side, and in the other side with
"sentiment analysis" in artificial intelligence (following the
work of my long-term collaborator Jorge Navarro--Jorge, are you
around??). So, perhaps we are not too far from your own
concerns. In the field of sentiment analysis, very important for
all those companies monetizing Internet activities (steeling our
"cookies" or manipulating in the new social networks), I have
also found a rather primitive concept of emotions, basically
those "6 big" of Ekman or a few more. It is a very important
problem, I think. There is a beautiful quotation from
philosopher Ortega y Gasset abou that, which I will leave for
next exchanges.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix">Somehow, the above connects with your
sentence below "<span lang="EN-US" style="">Emotions don't make us human, but emotions make
us alive." I agree in the second part of the sentence. In my
opinion, the virtual "body of emotions" is substantially
reorganized in each species and along its ontogenetic
development, and of course it depends on gender too (what was
called "sex" before the woke cultural mutation). Therefore,
human emotions would make us human, and wolf emotions would
make them Canis lupus. Using a computer metaphor, emotions
"software" would have evolved in accordance with the rest of
the bodily "hardware", both making possible the advancement of
a particular life story in the evolutionary niche. <br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style=""><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style="">In daily life terms, forgetting how cultures
mingle in our emotional development, </span><span lang="EN-US" style="">how similar </span><span lang="EN-US" style="">are man and women
emotions? </span>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Also, how
similar are the emotions of our pets to our own? <br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span><span lang="EN-US" style="">People lacking
a minimum of emotional background, we call them "inhuman"</span><span lang="EN-US" style="">...</span></div>
</div>
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Best regards,</span></div>
<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"><span lang="EN-US" style="">--Pedro<br clear="none">
</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6543463300moz-cite-prefix"> El 13/03/2023 a las 12:25,
konstantin lidin escribió:<br clear="none">
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">Dear Pedro, </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">dear
colleagues, </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">I continue to
answer the questions listed in Pedro's letter. </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">2. information
flows of zettabyte intensity are inherent not only to
humans. A large amount of information per unit of substance
is a characteristic feature of the living compared to the
inanimate. Emotions don't make us human, but emotions make
us alive. </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">Regarding the
individual "pattern" of emotions, I would like to add the
following: </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">if we add a
third dimension to the two axes of the Cartesian plane, then
we will have the opportunity to depict the individual
characteristics of the emotional sphere of the personality.
The third dimension is valence (attractiveness) - the
subjective (individual) experience of emotions by a person.
In three-dimensional space, we get a certain figure or
relief, unique for each individual. This relief is also
subject to changes over time. For example, a healthy and
normally developing child experiences maximum pleasure from
experiencing the emotions of the "interest" group. But with
age, traumas and crises can shift the point of maximum
valence to other areas of the "space of emotions". </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">Emotions that
have the maximum valence for a particular person are called
"genuine happiness (felicitas)" of that person. </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">An example of
an individual relief is shown in the figure: </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span style=""></span><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <img style="max-width:100%;" src="cid:PnyW1pX4JaErA9f4vy7Z" yahoo_partid="1.2.2" class="yiv6543463300w-335 yiv6543463300h-254"></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">Unfortunately,
I don't have enough data to draw conclusions about the
prevalence of certain types of genuine happiness
(felicitas). Some indication on this score can be obtained
by analyzing the volumes of markets on which certain
emotions are sold. </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">An approximate
analysis is shown in Figure 2: </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span style=""></span><span lang="EN-US" style=""> <img style="max-width:100%;" src="cid:2rujK1hnkHBUf91RuEqF" yahoo_partid="1.2.3" class="yiv6543463300w-486 yiv6543463300h-366"></span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:150%;font-size:12pt;font-family:New;" class="yiv6543463300MsoNormal"> <span lang="EN-US" style="">Of course, the
volume of sales of emotions is influenced not only by
individual preferences, but also by fashion, advertising and
other types of social pressure on the individual. </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv6543463300divRplyFwdMsg"><font style="font-size:11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Fis
<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a>
on behalf of Pedro C. Marijuán <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" class="yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> 11 March 2023 20:52<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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<div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Dear Konstantin and FIS
Colleagues,</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Thanks a lot for all the ideas
in your initial texts and in the responses. I would like to
receive some further comments in a few issues (better if
you take some time and different days to answer--also to
attract other parties to the reflection).</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">First, the James Russell's
"circumplex model" (1980). That Cartesian diagram of
emotions you present is an interesting variant of what he
published involving "arousal" and "valence" as main
coordinates. There has been quite a few development and
changes thereafter, with another relevant graphic model by
Robert Plutchik (also in 1980!) known as the "emotion
wheel", interesting to discuss the combinatoric of emotions.
Unfortunately much of the later research has gone to
describe more and more emotion lists, larger and larger
ones. So, it is very interesting to see your causal model
related to the info flow. Although some reference to the
Connectome and the role of the different areas could also be
interesting (not only the synapse) to enlarge the panorama.<br clear="none">
</div>
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Second, about the life cycle.
If emotions are what makes us human (which I agree), we
would see an ontogenetic development of the emotional
panoply, according to age, gender, and personality, and also
with cultural modifications or channeling in the expression
of emotions. This should affect, I think, the configuration
of that Cartesian diagram. And in this aspect the difference
between sentiments and emotions has to be clarified
regarding also their "permanence" in time. <br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Third, the relationship with
rationality. Reminding System1 and System2 reaction types
described by Kahneman, there could be an interesting
connection with our "identity", guarded by emotions as a
sort of behavioral "immune system" that tries to preserve
our fitness. So, System 1 works as an emotional system that
helps to preserve our immediate maintenance in time, in an
innate way (like the innate branch of our immune system),
later on complemented by System 2 "adaptive" mass of
experiential learning and rationality. In this link with
identity, maybe the ideas of Sheri Markose and Lou Kauffman
could dovetail here. <br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">And fourth, I am very
interested in your application to urbanism (and other
related aspects) and in general concerning the essential
role of emotions in our daily life. In particular, the
connection with urbanism has never been discussed in our
list.</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Thanks again for your
stimulating views (I leave the discussion on information
metrics & dynamics for further exchanges).</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_moz-cite-prefix">El 02/03/2023 a las 14:55,
konstantin lidin escribió:<br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);" class="yiv6543463300x_x_elementToProof yiv6543463300x_x_ContentPasted0 yiv6543463300x_ContentPasted0"> Thank you, Howard.
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_x_x_ContentPasted1 yiv6543463300x_x_ContentPasted0 yiv6543463300x_ContentPasted0">You are absolutely right, emotions
are a powerful tool for understanding a person and the
world. Unfortunately, they are very little studied
(much less than cognitions) and mostly remain in the
realm of the unconscious. The concept of "emotional
intelligence" is often found in the scientific
literature, but it most often means only the skill of
recognizing basic emotions by the facial expression of
the interlocutor. Obviously, this is absolutely not
enough. As a result, emotions are often perceived as
some kind of "demons" that prevent a person from
thinking clearly and acting rationally, and from which
it is desirable to get rid of altogether.</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_x_x_ContentPasted1 yiv6543463300x_x_ContentPasted0 yiv6543463300x_ContentPasted0">This is very strange and
inconvenient, especially considering the huge role
that emotions play in people's behavior and in the
economy. We rarely realize how much the price of
emotions occupies in the consumer price of our
everyday purchases. Here is an illustration - the
price of coffee in its "natural" form, then the price
of coffee preparation services, and then the price
with the addition of prestige emotions (a fashion
brand brings valuable emotions from the "joy - pride"
group).</div>
In our daily life, spending on emotions accounts for
about 90% of all expenses, and the richer the country,
the greater this share</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv6543463300x_divRplyFwdMsg"><font style="font-size:11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Howard Bloom <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><howlbloom@aol.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> 02 March 2023 09:29<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> lidinkl@hotmail.com</a> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> <lidinkl@hotmail.com></a>;
<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> 13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>
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<13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> <fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
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<roy.morrison114@yahoo.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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<div>
<div style="color:black;font:14pt Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> excellent point on
the importance of emotions. and on the commercial sale
of emotions.
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<div>i suspect that emotions are our fastest form of
information processing. in other words, they have a
wisdom of their own.</div>
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<div>with warmth and oomph--howard<br clear="none">
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<div><font style="font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
From: konstantin lidin <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
<lidinkl@hotmail.com></a><br clear="none">
To: Francesco Rizzo <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
<13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
Cc: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
Roy Morrison <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><roy.morrison114@yahoo.com></a><br clear="none">
Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2023 1:53 pm<br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions<br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" class="yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076elementToProof yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0"> Dear Francesco,
<div class="yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0 yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076elementToProof">indeed,
it is difficult to understand such
difficult ideas from such a brief message.</div>
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<div class="yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0">For
my part, I can add that emotions are a
very popular commodity. For example,
tourism is the sale of emotions of the
"interest" group. Gambling is an industry
of emotions of the group "excitement,
risk". Cinema produces and sells emotions
of a wide range, from "joy - pride"
(comedies, family films) to "disgust"
(horror and punk films), and so on. All
these are market sectors with a turnover
of hundreds of billions of USD per year.</div>
<div class="yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0">Note
also that positive emotions (for example,
such a kind of "joy - pride" emotions as
prestige) often make up a significant part
of wages in some areas.</div>
Unfortunately, emotions are still not taken
into account in most economic models.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv6543463300x_x_yiv2999675076divRplyFwdMsg"><font style="font-size:11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Francesco
Rizzo <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2023 23:49<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> konstantin lidin <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
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Roy Morrison <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com" class="yiv6543463300x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><roy.morrison114@yahoo.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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<div>Dear Konstantin, </div>
<div>I would like to make the following
contribution: in my new economy it is
not necessary to separate humanitarian
information and natural information,
since I adopt a single
trans-information process based on the
3 surpluses or thermodynamic, genetic
and semiotic-hermeneutic information;
that is, a theory of value
underlying a single piece of
information, consisting in giving
or taking shape, measurable in bits of
entropy (in natural-rational
information and in neg-entropy (in
emotional-human communication). So
that the flow of information related
to emotion, can give rise to what I
call emo-rationality. Thank you! Do I
have to apologize for my (non)
simplicity?Francesco<br clear="none">
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Caro Konstantin,
<div>desidero dare il seguente
contributo: nella mia economia nuova
non è necessario separare
l'informazione </div>
<div>umanitaria e
l'informazione naturale, poiché adotto
un unico processo di tras-informazione
basato sui 3 </div>
<div>surplus o informazione
termodinamica, genetica e
semiotico-ermeneutica; cioè una teoria
del valore sottesa </div>
<div>da un'unica informazione,
consistente nel dare o nel prendere
forma, misurabile in bit di entropia
(nella </div>
<div>informazione natural-razionale e in
neg-entropia (nella comu nicazione
emozional-umana). Sicchè il flusso di </div>
<div>informazioni connesse all'emozione,
può dar luogo a quella che io chiamo
emo-ra-zionalità. </div>
<div>Grazie! Dobbo scusarmi per la mia
(non) sempicità?</div>
<div>Francesco</div>
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konstantin lidin <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" class="yiv6543463300moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">lidinkl@hotmail.com</a>>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">the calculation of
the amount of information
contained in one human personality
is based on the following
considerations:
<div>the number of nitrogenous
bases in a DNA molecule is 3.2
billion. Each base contains two
bits of information. In total,
the amount of information in one
DNA molecule is about a gigabyte
(10^9);</div>
<div>all cells of the human body
are different and, therefore,
the information in each cell
does not coincide with the
information in other cells.
Therefore, the amount of
information in the body needs to
be multiplied by the number of
cells - about 10 ^ 14;</div>
<div>the total is 10 ^ 23 bytes,
that is, one hundred zettabytes.
Even considering that 99% of
cellular information is
repeated, the amount of unique
information in a living organism
is zettabytes. It is the amount
of information per unit of mass
that is the fundamental
difference between a living
organism and an inanimate one.</div>
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<div>Our model can be useful for
the study of intrapsychic
processes. Unfortunately, the
format of a short message does
not allow us to fully describe
all the results obtained over
twenty-five years of development
of this model.</div>
<div>You are absolutely right; the
human personality is complex
enough that its individual
fragments can experience
different emotions at the same
time. A person can
simultaneously experience fear
of a shark, tenderness and trust
in it, sadness from his
loneliness in the middle of an
endless ocean, and so on.</div>
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<div>The role of hormones and
neurotransmitters in the
movement of information through
the nervous system has not been
sufficiently studied. The
processes occurring in the
synaptic cleft are associated
with the adaptation of the
nervous system to the nature of
the flow of information. The
balance of neurotransmitters in
the synaptic cleft corresponds
to the characteristics of the
information flow - for example,
adrenaline promotes the passage
of chaotic flows (emotion
"fear"), and gamma-aminobutyric
acid "adjusts" the nervous
system to weak information flows
(sadness).</div>
Rapid and strong changes in the
balance of neurotransmitters
correspond to "emotional storms",
which is so characteristic of
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2023 06:54<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis]
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<div dir="ltr">I powerful and
important take on emotions as
experience of information
flow. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Really appreciate
"<span style="font-family:New;text-indent:47.2667px;">In
turn, we understand
information as a structural
aspect of the existence of
matter, along with the
inertial aspect (substance)
and the dynamic aspect
(energy). We believe that
information is no less
material than matter and
energy. "</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:New;text-indent:47.2667px;"> and</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:New;text-indent:47.2667px;"><span style="text-indent:47.2667px;">"The total amount of information contained
on all media in all
libraries, archives and
other repositories of
mankind is about a
zettabyte (10^23 bits).
About the same amount of
information contains one
human personality."</span><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="text-indent:47.2667px;"><span style="text-indent:47.2667px;"> From my experience as a lunatic, ok as
a neurotic, the complexity
of emotion is complicated
by issues of what is
conscious/ repressed/
unconscious.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="text-indent:47.2667px;"><span style="text-indent:47.2667px;">Your model making distinctions between
Order-Chaos and Weak flow-
Intense Flow does not fully
explain issues of
unconscious roiling
repression this is driven in
part by hormonal emotional
activation and repression.
At the same time I recognize
the common and shared
emotional expression we
share across species. </span><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" style="text-indent:47.2667px;">Watching
video of a fisherman who saved
a great white shark trapped it
nets. The shark keep returning
to the fishman's small boat
for days. Shark rolled on her?
back next to his boat so he
could spoke her belly to her
great pleasure.Evolutionary we
share common emotional
expression and the similar
brain chemicals.</div>
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