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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Konstantin,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Many thanks for your previous
responses. I appreciate having heard about Wilhelm Wundt's
approach to emotions, who rarely appears in the current
literature. Not being a practicing researcher in this field I have
being relying on recent literature (Ekman, Feldman, Damasio...),
rather dissatisfying for may taste. Perhaps Panksepp, given his
meaningful biological connections, is the most interesting for me.
I am trying to connect emotions with the biological information
flow as realized in the cell's life-cycle, on the one side, and in
the other side with "sentiment analysis" in artificial
intelligence (following the work of my long-term collaborator
Jorge Navarro--Jorge, are you around??). So, perhaps we are not
too far from your own concerns. In the field of sentiment
analysis, very important for all those companies monetizing
Internet activities (steeling our "cookies" or manipulating in the
new social networks), I have also found a rather primitive concept
of emotions, basically those "6 big" of Ekman or a few more. It is
a very important problem, I think. There is a beautiful quotation
from philosopher Ortega y Gasset abou that, which I will leave for
next exchanges.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Somehow, the above connects with your
sentence below "<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Emotions
don't make us human, but emotions make us alive." I agree in the
second part of the sentence. In my opinion, the virtual "body
of emotions" is substantially reorganized in each species and
along its ontogenetic development, and of course it depends on
gender too (what was called "sex" before the woke cultural
mutation). Therefore, human emotions would make us human, and
wolf emotions would make them Canis lupus. Using a computer
metaphor, emotions "software" would have evolved in accordance
with the rest of the bodily "hardware", both making possible the
advancement of a particular life story in the evolutionary
niche. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">In daily life terms, forgetting how cultures mingle
in our emotional development, </span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">how similar </span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">are man and women
emotions? </span>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Also, how similar are the emotions of our pets to
our own? <br>
</span></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"></span><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">People lacking a minimum of emotional background,
we call them "inhuman"</span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">...</span></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> El 13/03/2023 a las 12:25, konstantin
lidin escribió:<br>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Dear Pedro,<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">dear
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">I continue to
answer the questions listed in Pedro's letter.<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">2.
information flows of zettabyte intensity are inherent not only
to humans. A large amount of information per unit of substance
is a characteristic feature of the living compared to the
inanimate. Emotions don't make us human, but emotions make us
alive.<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Regarding the
individual "pattern" of emotions, I would like to add the
following:
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">if we add a
third dimension to the two axes of the Cartesian plane, then
we will have the opportunity to depict the individual
characteristics of the emotional sphere of the personality.
The third dimension is valence (attractiveness) - the
subjective (individual) experience of emotions by a person. In
three-dimensional space, we get a certain figure or relief,
unique for each individual. This relief is also subject to
changes over time. For example, a healthy and normally
developing child experiences maximum pleasure from
experiencing the emotions of the "interest" group. But with
age, traumas and crises can shift the point of maximum valence
to other areas of the "space of emotions".<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Emotions that
have the maximum valence for a particular person are called
"genuine happiness (felicitas)" of that person.<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">An example of
an individual relief is shown in the figure:<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;mso-no-proof:yes"></span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> <img
style="max-width: 100%;" class="w-335 h-254" size="51920"
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src="cid:part1.35644A2E.6F006F12@gmail.com"></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Unfortunately,
I don't have enough data to draw conclusions about the
prevalence of certain types of genuine happiness (felicitas).
Some indication on this score can be obtained by analyzing the
volumes of markets on which certain emotions are sold.<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">An
approximate analysis is shown in Figure 2:<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;mso-no-proof:yes"></span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> <img
style="max-width: 100%;" class="w-486 h-366" size="78994"
contenttype="image/jpeg" data-outlook-trace="F:1|T:1"
src="cid:part2.E5A4DCBE.4D580E6A@gmail.com"></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Of course,
the volume of sales of emotions is influenced not only by
individual preferences, but also by fashion, advertising and
other types of social pressure on the individual.<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Fis
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es"><fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es></a> on behalf of Pedro C.
Marijuán <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com"><pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 March 2023 20:52<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Dear Konstantin and FIS
Colleagues,</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Thanks a lot for all the ideas in
your initial texts and in the responses. I would like to
receive some further comments in a few issues (better if you
take some time and different days to answer--also to attract
other parties to the reflection).</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">First, the James Russell's
"circumplex model" (1980). That Cartesian diagram of emotions
you present is an interesting variant of what he published
involving "arousal" and "valence" as main coordinates. There
has been quite a few development and changes thereafter, with
another relevant graphic model by Robert Plutchik (also in
1980!) known as the "emotion wheel", interesting to discuss
the combinatoric of emotions. Unfortunately much of the later
research has gone to describe more and more emotion lists,
larger and larger ones. So, it is very interesting to see your
causal model related to the info flow. Although some reference
to the Connectome and the role of the different areas could
also be interesting (not only the synapse) to enlarge the
panorama.<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Second, about the life cycle. If
emotions are what makes us human (which I agree), we would see
an ontogenetic development of the emotional panoply, according
to age, gender, and personality, and also with cultural
modifications or channeling in the expression of emotions.
This should affect, I think, the configuration of that
Cartesian diagram. And in this aspect the difference between
sentiments and emotions has to be clarified regarding also
their "permanence" in time.
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Third, the relationship with
rationality. Reminding System1 and System2 reaction types
described by Kahneman, there could be an interesting
connection with our "identity", guarded by emotions as a sort
of behavioral "immune system" that tries to preserve our
fitness. So, System 1 works as an emotional system that helps
to preserve our immediate maintenance in time, in an innate
way (like the innate branch of our immune system), later on
complemented by System 2 "adaptive" mass of experiential
learning and rationality. In this link with identity, maybe
the ideas of Sheri Markose and Lou Kauffman could dovetail
here.
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">And fourth, I am very interested
in your application to urbanism (and other related aspects)
and in general concerning the essential role of emotions in
our daily life. In particular, the connection with urbanism
has never been discussed in our list.</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Thanks again for your stimulating
views (I leave the discussion on information metrics &
dynamics for further exchanges).</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">El 02/03/2023 a las 14:55,
konstantin lidin escribió:<br>
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x_ContentPasted0">You are absolutely right, emotions are
a powerful tool for understanding a person and the
world. Unfortunately, they are very little studied (much
less than cognitions) and mostly remain in the realm of
the unconscious. The concept of "emotional intelligence"
is often found in the scientific literature, but it most
often means only the skill of recognizing basic emotions
by the facial expression of the interlocutor. Obviously,
this is absolutely not enough. As a result, emotions are
often perceived as some kind of "demons" that prevent a
person from thinking clearly and acting rationally, and
from which it is desirable to get rid of altogether.</div>
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x_ContentPasted0">This is very strange and inconvenient,
especially considering the huge role that emotions play
in people's behavior and in the economy. We rarely
realize how much the price of emotions occupies in the
consumer price of our everyday purchases. Here is an
illustration - the price of coffee in its "natural"
form, then the price of coffee preparation services, and
then the price with the addition of prestige emotions (a
fashion brand brings valuable emotions from the "joy -
pride" group).</div>
In our daily life, spending on emotions accounts for about
90% of all expenses, and the richer the country, the
greater this share</div>
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color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Howard Bloom
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 March 2023 09:29<br>
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lidinkl@hotmail.com</a> <a
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<lidinkl@hotmail.com></a>; <a
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13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a> <a
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<13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
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fis@listas.unizar.es</a> <a
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<fis@listas.unizar.es></a>; <a
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roy.morrison114@yahoo.com</a> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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excellent point on the importance of emotions. and on the
commercial sale of emotions.
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<div>i suspect that emotions are our fastest form of
information processing. in other words, they have a
wisdom of their own.</div>
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<div>with warmth and oomph--howard<br>
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<div><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica;
font-size:10pt">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: konstantin lidin <a
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To: Francesco Rizzo <a
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href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
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<13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com></a><br>
Cc: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
Roy Morrison
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Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2023 1:53 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions<br>
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is difficult to understand such difficult
ideas from such a brief message.</div>
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<div class="x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0">For
my part, I can add that emotions are a very
popular commodity. For example, tourism is
the sale of emotions of the "interest"
group. Gambling is an industry of emotions
of the group "excitement, risk". Cinema
produces and sells emotions of a wide range,
from "joy - pride" (comedies, family films)
to "disgust" (horror and punk films), and so
on. All these are market sectors with a
turnover of hundreds of billions of USD per
year.</div>
<div class="x_x_yiv2999675076ContentPasted0">Note
also that positive emotions (for example,
such a kind of "joy - pride" emotions as
prestige) often make up a significant part
of wages in some areas.</div>
Unfortunately, emotions are still not taken
into account in most economic models.<br
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sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Francesco
Rizzo
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href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2023 23:49<br
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<b>To:</b> konstantin lidin <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>;
Roy Morrison
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href="mailto:roy.morrison114@yahoo.com"
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<div>Dear Konstantin, </div>
<div>I would like to make the following
contribution: in my new economy it is
not necessary to separate humanitarian
information and natural information,
since I adopt a single trans-information
process based on the 3 surpluses or
thermodynamic, genetic
and semiotic-hermeneutic information;
that is, a theory of value underlying a
single piece of information, consisting
in giving or taking shape, measurable in
bits of entropy (in natural-rational
information and in neg-entropy (in
emotional-human communication). So
that the flow of information related to
emotion, can give rise to what I call
emo-rationality. Thank you! Do I have to
apologize for my (non)
simplicity?Francesco<br clear="none">
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Caro Konstantin,
<div>desidero dare il seguente contributo:
nella mia economia nuova non è
necessario separare l'informazione </div>
<div>umanitaria e l'informazione naturale,
poiché adotto un unico processo di
tras-informazione basato sui 3 </div>
<div>surplus o informazione termodinamica,
genetica e semiotico-ermeneutica; cioè
una teoria del valore sottesa </div>
<div>da un'unica informazione, consistente
nel dare o nel prendere forma,
misurabile in bit di entropia (nella </div>
<div>informazione natural-razionale e in
neg-entropia (nella comu nicazione
emozional-umana). Sicchè il flusso di </div>
<div>informazioni connesse all'emozione,
può dar luogo a quella che io chiamo
emo-ra-zionalità. </div>
<div>Grazie! Dobbo scusarmi per la mia
(non) sempicità?</div>
<div>Francesco</div>
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<div
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font-size:12pt">the calculation of
the amount of information contained
in one human personality is based on
the following considerations:
<div>the number of nitrogenous bases
in a DNA molecule is 3.2 billion.
Each base contains two bits of
information. In total, the amount
of information in one DNA molecule
is about a gigabyte (10^9);</div>
<div>all cells of the human body are
different and, therefore, the
information in each cell does not
coincide with the information in
other cells. Therefore, the amount
of information in the body needs
to be multiplied by the number of
cells - about 10 ^ 14;</div>
<div>the total is 10 ^ 23 bytes,
that is, one hundred zettabytes.
Even considering that 99% of
cellular information is repeated,
the amount of unique information
in a living organism is
zettabytes. It is the amount of
information per unit of mass that
is the fundamental difference
between a living organism and an
inanimate one.</div>
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<div>Our model can be useful for the
study of intrapsychic processes.
Unfortunately, the format of a
short message does not allow us to
fully describe all the results
obtained over twenty-five years of
development of this model.</div>
<div>You are absolutely right; the
human personality is complex
enough that its individual
fragments can experience different
emotions at the same time. A
person can simultaneously
experience fear of a shark,
tenderness and trust in it,
sadness from his loneliness in the
middle of an endless ocean, and so
on.</div>
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<div>The role of hormones and
neurotransmitters in the movement
of information through the nervous
system has not been sufficiently
studied. The processes occurring
in the synaptic cleft are
associated with the adaptation of
the nervous system to the nature
of the flow of information. The
balance of neurotransmitters in
the synaptic cleft corresponds to
the characteristics of the
information flow - for example,
adrenaline promotes the passage of
chaotic flows (emotion "fear"),
and gamma-aminobutyric acid
"adjusts" the nervous system to
weak information flows (sadness).</div>
Rapid and strong changes in the
balance of neurotransmitters
correspond to "emotional storms",
which is so characteristic of young
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] emotions</font>
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<div dir="ltr">I powerful and
important take on emotions as
experience of information flow. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Really appreciate "<span
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text-indent:47.2667px">In
turn, we understand
information as a structural
aspect of the existence of
matter, along with the
inertial aspect (substance)
and the dynamic aspect
(energy). We believe that
information is no less
material than matter and
energy. "</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span
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style="text-indent:47.2667px">"The
total amount of information
contained on all media in
all libraries, archives and
other repositories of
mankind is about a zettabyte
(10^23 bits). About the same
amount of information
contains one human
personality."</span><br
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style="text-indent:47.2667px"> From my experience as a lunatic, ok as
a neurotic, the complexity
of emotion is complicated by
issues of what is
conscious/ repressed/
unconscious.</span></span></div>
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style="text-indent:47.2667px">Your
model making distinctions
between Order-Chaos and Weak
flow- Intense Flow does not
fully explain issues of
unconscious roiling repression
this is driven in part by
hormonal emotional activation
and repression. At the same
time I recognize the common
and shared emotional
expression we share across
species. </span><br
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<div dir="ltr"
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video of a fisherman who saved a
great white shark trapped it
nets. The shark keep returning
to the fishman's small boat for
days. Shark rolled on her? back
next to his boat so he could
spoke her belly to her great
pleasure.Evolutionary we share
common emotional expression and
the similar brain chemicals.</div>
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