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<p>Dear FIS Colleagues, in a parallel discussion some interesting
mails have been exchanged around the ideological trends taken off
in many sciences, maths included. See Plamen's below. Tomorrow I
will enter another couple of messages (from Kauffman and Baars, if
they have no inconvenient).</p>
<p>Regards--Pedro<br>
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<td>Re: Tough question: Decolonizing mathematics?</td>
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<td>Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:02:34 +0100</td>
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<td>Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
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<td>Giuseppe Longo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Giuseppe.Longo@ens.fr"><Giuseppe.Longo@ens.fr></a></td>
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<td>Bernard Baars <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:baarsbj@gmail.com"><baarsbj@gmail.com></a>, Bruno Marchal
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruno.marchal@insas.be"><bruno.marchal@insas.be></a>, Louis Kauffman
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:loukau@gmail.com"><loukau@gmail.com></a>, Ralph Abraham
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:abraham@vismath.org"><abraham@vismath.org></a>, Andree EHRESMANN
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:acehres@wanadoo.fr"><acehres@wanadoo.fr></a>, Maël Montévil
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mael.montevil@gmail.com"><mael.montevil@gmail.com></a>, Joseph Brenner
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"><joe.brenner@bluewin.ch></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>,
Ted Goranson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tedgoranson@me.com"><tedgoranson@me.com></a>, Marcin SCHROEDER
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mjs@gl.aiu.ac.jp"><mjs@gl.aiu.ac.jp></a>, Gordana Dodig Crnkovic
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se"><gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se></a>, Leslie Smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:l.s.smith@cs.stir.ac.uk"><l.s.smith@cs.stir.ac.uk></a>, Ronald Brown
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ronniegpd50@gmail.com"><ronniegpd50@gmail.com></a>, Madan Thangavelu
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:madan.thangavelu5@gmail.com"><madan.thangavelu5@gmail.com></a>, fis
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>, Brian Josephson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bdj10@cam.ac.uk"><bdj10@cam.ac.uk></a></td>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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Giuseppe,</div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">thank
you so much for this wonderful paper on imagination,
Renaissance art and mathematics! I wish it could be attached
to our recent FIS NY discussion session on the roots of
modern civilization. (Pedro, could you attach Giuseppe's
email to it, please?) I am sorry that I did not invite you
to participate in this session, Giuseppe. Of course, these
concepts of beauty and (hidden) order are not only of
European origin only. That's why I said earlier that
mathematics must be communicated to young scholars as an
inclusive discipline from its very beginning. We know that
the Library of Alexandria was in Egypt. Who knows how many
treasures were lost by this silly act of the early
Christians who burned it, so we had to recover and adopt
much of the lost roots of earlier cultures (medicine,
poetry, astrology and mathematics) from the Persians like
Avicenna (Ibn Sina), Omar Khayamm (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0gP_tBS8$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam</a>),
and Saadi Shirazi<span> (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saadi_Shirazi__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0kgk1Djm$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saadi_Shirazi</a>)</span> and
the Arabs in the Middle Ages who stayed for a while in
Spain. Also, the genius of 20th century Srinivasa Ramanujan
(<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0l_vSCIL$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan</a>),
the man who knew infinity (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXGm9Vlfx4w__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0j07horA$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXGm9Vlfx4w</a>),
has inherited much of his unconventional thinking and
problem solving methods from his native culture. We need to
preserve and provide the deserved tribute to every
participant of our world's cultural inheritance. Earlier
generations of European mathematicians and other scientists
were indeed much more tolerant to newcomers from other
fields and geographic regions than the DEI bureaucrats
occupying the faculties of the ivory league universities in
the USA and UK today (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.foxnews.com/media/professor-white-people-become-less-damaging-dismantle-whiteness__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0pFj4ddf$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.foxnews.com/media/professor-white-people-become-less-damaging-dismantle-whiteness</a>). </div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Knowledge
and wisdom in science have always been all-inclusive and do
not need special ideological programs. Just as in music,
literature, theatre and art they provide the link to higher
dimensions of human virtues and spiritual evolution which go
beyond finite state machine automation and control, so
highly appreciated with AI these days. Coming back to the
roots of past cultural inventions on all continents is what
would help us resolve the tight knots of the present. Maybe
also forgotten ancient Inca' quipu' techniques could be part
of future modes for highly effective mathematics and
(quantum) computation. Yet, the first thing a modern
Vitruvian Man needs to revolt against are Middle Ages 2.0 we
are facing today because of these realities:</div>
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need to restructure and educate first again, if we wish to
not let the beauty of mathematics and science be lost.</div>
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a great week,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 10:31
AM Giuseppe Longo <<a href="mailto:Giuseppe.Longo@ens.fr"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Giuseppe.Longo@ens.fr</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>sometimes blends are very fruitful: the invention of
the first symbolic form of actual (and mathematical)
infinity and of mathematical space was a
theologico-pictorial gesture, in D. Arasse's words:</p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">G.
Longo, Sara Longo. <span> </span></span><font
style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
color="#000681">Infinity of God and Space of Men in
Painting, Conditions of Possibility for the Scientific
Revolution.</font><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">
In ‘‘</span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Mathematics
in the Visual Arts</b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">’’
(R. Scheps and M.-C. Maurel ed.), ISTE-WILEY Ltd,
London, 2020</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo/files/InfinitySpaceMenLoLo.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0k0kfWUo$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo/files/InfinitySpaceMenLoLo.pdf</a></span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">Best
regards</span></p>
<p>-- <br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"> Giuseppe
Longo</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0ka_MvwB$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">web page</a>,
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo/download.html__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0jo1nDNe$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">downloadable
papers</a>, </p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Centre
Cavaillès, République des Savoirs, CNRS et Ecole
Normale Supérieure, Paris,</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://generation-thunberg.org/accueil__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0oAQSxY3$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Association
des amis de la génération Thunberg</a> (AAGT),
président</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ensser.org/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0ouksNzB$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">European Network of
Scientists for Social and Environmental
Responsibility</a> (ENSSER)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://cardano.visions-des-sciences.eu/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VMhuQTUJudd2clSvQViANpqOK3hU10POkj-g4vozhxYSICPQCTOoPttWLl4w6C3JoISspxBZOht8o6jOy1WH0qqFn7Bd$" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Association
Cardano</a></p>
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