<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Koichiro, Marcus, Colleagues,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">The following snippet from your conversation is
worth looking into:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span lang="EN-US">Once it is taken for granted that there is no
symbolical way for telling what will be measured before the actual measurement,
there has been no dependable theory for the objective. Instead, if the issue of
how could it be possible to estimate the likelihood of having something
repeatable or even durable is focused upon, laboratory works may help while
following the indexical instructions applied to various lab equipment.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Let us look
at the sentence in its transliterated form, removing the negation (that is,
negating the original sense of the sentence):</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:107%">Once it is taken for granted that there is<s> no</s>
symbolical way for telling what will be measured before the actual measurement,
there <s>has been no</s> dependable theory for the objective.</span></i><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u><span lang="EN-US">Marcus says:</span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> No symbolical way exists </span><span lang="EN-US">→</span><span lang="EN-US"> no dependable
theory exists.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Means the
same as:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> Symbolical way exists </span><span lang="EN-US">→</span><span lang="EN-US"> dependable
theory exists.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">This could
mean also:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> Dependable theory exists </span><span lang="EN-US">→</span><span lang="EN-US"> symbolical way
exists.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u><span lang="EN-US">Proposition
by Karl:</span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">There
exists a dependable theory for telling what will be measured before the actual
measurement. </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Means the
same as:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">There
exists an expected value for each observed value. </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u><span lang="EN-US">Technical
procedure:</span></u></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 36pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">1.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Create an etalon collection of
symbols, in which</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 36pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">2.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Each symbol has a place and a value</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 36pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">3.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Reorder the etalon collection</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt 36pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">4.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Observe where each of the symbols
comes to be placed</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">By this
method, one has expected values for each possible observed value.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">The
theory</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> that on
resorting a collection, elements with a given property shall be assigned
specific linear places in dependence of the :</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 53.4pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">a.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Properties of the elements in the
whole collection,</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 53.4pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">b.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Properties of the element of which
we wish to predict the expected place</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt 53.4pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">c.<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Aspect upon which the sorting is
done</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> is indeed a <b>dependable theory.</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Hope to have shown you that </span><b><span lang="EN-US">sorting and ordering are tools of
arithmetic</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> which bring forth dependable results.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Best wishes:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US">Karl</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 07:54 Uhr schrieb Koichiro Matsuno <<a href="mailto:cxq02365@nifty.com">cxq02365@nifty.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="JA" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tuesday, June 21, 2022 1:04 AM</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)">, </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tuesday, </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> wrote;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>where you write symbolical and indexical languages, which are formally distinct (epistemological, separable), I see the actual and potential proper parts of processes (ontological, non-separable).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">At issue must be the nature of cohesion acting between the actual and the potential, that may be inaccessible on the epistemological ground. That is a temporal cohesion making the participants non-separable temporally. The actual is already open to implementing the potential to come. At the same time, the potential may serve as a cohesive factor for connecting the precedent actual to the subsequent one. Thus, the potential is inaccessible externally because of the absence of the epistemic competency for telling what will come next. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tuesday, June 21, 2022 2:59 AM, Jerry LR Chandler <a href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com" target="_blank">jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com</a> wrote;</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>One could conclude that the scientific language of QM achieves the same objective as Shannon’s theory with a parallel method expressed in a different form of mathematical metrology?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Right. Standard interpretation of both QM and Shannon’s theory is certainly symbolical and scientific, rather than indexical. In this sense, both are understandable quite well epistemologically. Precisely for this reason, however, both the theories rightly lack the generative competency from within. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tuesday, June 21, 2022 12:57 PM, Marcus Abundis <a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com" target="_blank">55mrcs@gmail.com</a> wrote; <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Until all quantum 'measurement problems' are resolved, and until we glean the deeper/broader implications of chaos theory, all remains speculation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Once it is taken for granted that there is no symbolical way for telling what will be measured before the actual measurement, there has been no dependable theory for the objective. Instead, if the issue of how could it be possible to estimate the likelihood of having something repeatable or even durable is focused upon, laboratory works may help while following the indexical instructions applied to various lab equipment.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Koichiro<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0mm 0mm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fis <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 21, 2022 1:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'fis' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'Gordana Dodig Crnkovic' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'Andrei Igamberdiev' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:a_igamberdiev@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">a_igamberdiev@hotmail.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'Stanley N Salthe' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] FW: [External Email] Re: Biological computation session - Kickoff Text. Change<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dear Koichiro,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Of your many contributions to knowledge and this list, this one most clearly supports the core thesis of my non-standard logic of processes and its principle of dynamic opposition having equivalent status to formal quantum mechanics in some macroscopic cases. To help above all me to understand this better, I would be very grateful for examples of the operations<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">In which you see “concurrent operation of symbolic and indexical languages”. I would like to use these for a direct comparison with the concept of potentiality I have been proposing.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I would just like to suggest that such concurrent participation does not exclude and perhaps implies that, perhaps in the very biological cases of interest, the two types of phenomena corresponding to your epistemic categories are not totally separated or separable. The most basic example I can think of is that of kinetic and potential energy. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To repeat, where you write symbolical and indexical languages, which are formally distinct (epistemological, separable), I see the actual and potential proper parts of processes (ontological, non-separable). Dynamic opposition is thus a necessary principle of non-separability operating in the “various disciplines”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I look forward to your response, and that of All, with great interest.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Joseph<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0mm 0mm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fis <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Koichiro Matsuno<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 10:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'fis' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] [External Email] Re: Biological computation session - Kickoff Text. Comment<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sunday, June 19, 2022 1:34 AM, </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> wrote;<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)">></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> I believe we may consider an area of science in which a dynamics of simultaneous actuality-potentiality provides the necessary macroscopic explanations, in which the processes involved are nevertheless <i>quantum-like,</i></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> Quantum Mechanics is peculiar in allowing for both symbolic and indexical languages as demonstrated in the non-commutability of some indexical operations. Likewise, such concurrent participation of the both types of languages remains wide open even to various macroscopic disciplines without referring to QM directly. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> Koichiro<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fis <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 19, 2022 1:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrei Igamberdiev' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:a_igamberdiev@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">a_igamberdiev@hotmail.com</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'Stanley N Salthe' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'fis' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">fis@listas.unizar.es</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>; 'Gordana Dodig Crnkovic' <</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fis] [External Email] Re: Biological computation session - Kickoff Text. Comment<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dear Gordana, Andrei, Nikita, Stan, and All, </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If I may, I would like to offer a brief summary of that part of the current discussion dealing with aspects of potentiality, with many thanks. The for me central issues were implied in the following, all on June 17:<u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0mm" start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Andrei: <u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The potential field of the internal quantum state implies the simultaneous existence of contradictory statements (JEB: antagonistic phenomena?)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The realization of Joseph’s approach, not only philosophically, but from the point of view of natural science, <i>require certain structures that can hold potentiality.</i> <u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0mm" start="2" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Stan: What happens to your statement if the quantum idea is removed?<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Andrei: I don’t see another way of explaining how a system holds a coherent state for a prolonged time, without applying a theory that deals with the transition between the potential and the actual. If the quantum idea is removed, then we remove any possible explanations of the internal determination of biological activity and the problem of self.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Stan:<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt;line-height:105%"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;line-height:105%;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">So then a QM interpretation would be validated as being ‘about’ something real in an aspect of actual nature (here a living cell) by way of constructing compatibility with a microscopic perspective derived from conventional microscopic science?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It is quite a remarkable experience for me to see these ideas juxtaposed, finally discussed although certainly not in final form. I believe we may consider an area of science in which a dynamics of simultaneous actuality-potentiality provides the necessary macroscopic explanations, in which the processes involved are nevertheless <i>quantum-like. </i>I would call this an <i>unconventional </i>interpretation of standard science.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If I take the example of intersubjectivity, we may thus consider here a non-quantum concept for its grounding solely in the macroscopic interactions described.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Best, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Joseph<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:游ゴシック;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 6pt;margin:5pt 0mm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 6pt;margin:5pt 0mm 5pt 4.8pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">----------<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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