<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">good points, pedro. my answer to the problem of a civilization destroying itself is this:
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:16.0pt">WHY SAVE WESTERN CIVILIZATION?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" align="center" style="text-align:center">By<o:p></o:p></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" align="center" style="text-align:center">Howard Bloom<o:p></o:p></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The war in the Ukraine is
a battle between western civilization and the civilizational system of Vladimir
Putin. It is a battle between democracy
and dictatorship.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This raises a
question: why fight to save Western
Civilization?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Every belief system that
appeals to our idealism claims that it will lift the poor and the
oppressed. But Western Civilization—the
Western System—has lifted the poor and oppressed more than any other system in
history.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Judge for yourself:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If you’d been born in 1850, your expected lifespan
would have been 37.5 years. If you’d
been born in the West in 2000, your expected lifespan would have been 78.5
years. Chinese Emperors were willing to
spend almost all of their wealth to achieve an extra four years of life. But Western Civilization has added another
40. Western civilization has more than
doubled the human lifespan. No other
civilization in the history of the world—not the Chinese, Egyptian, Muslim,
Russian, or Roman—has ever pulled this off.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If you’d been the poorest paid worker in London in
2012, a personal assistant, you would have earned what an entire tenement full
of the poorest paid workers in London were paid in 1850. You would have earned what seven Irish
dockworkers made.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If you gave a bunch of average Western kids today a Stanford
Binet IQ test from 1916, today’s kids would register as near geniuses. They’d register an average IQ of roughly
135. That’s an IQ Jump of 35 points.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Since 1650, Western Civilization has upped the level
of peace by a factor of ten. If you were
born in an indigenous culture, one of those tribes that “lives in peace with
its fellow man and in harmony with nature,”
your odds of dying a violent death at the hands of a fellow human being would
have been ten times what they are in the West today. Yes, thanks to Western civilization there is
ten times more peace in the world today.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If you were born in 2000, your height would have been
four inches higher than if you’d been born in 1850.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Western System has lifted close to a billion people out of poverty in a mere
twenty years.<a href="file:///C:/Users/ZK/HBI%20INSITUTE%20Dropbox/howard%20bloom/cnt/Why%20save%20Western%20Civilization%20with%20Ukraine%20hook%2003-22-2022.docx#_edn2" name="_ednref2" title="" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span class="MsoEndnoteReference"><!--[if !supportFootnotes]--><span class="MsoEndnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">[ii]</span></span><!--[endif]--></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If our great, great
grandparents could give us an extra 40 years of life, we owe an extra 40 more
to our great, great grandchildren. If
our great, great grandparents could septuple the incomes of the poorest workers
among us, surely we owe another septupling to our great great grandkids. If our great, great grandparents could up the
average IQ by 35 points, surely we owe another 35 to our great great
grandkids. And if our great great grandparents could increase the peace
in the world by a factor of ten, surely we owe our great great grandkids ten
times more. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">But to carry out this
obligation, we need to see and value what we’ve achieved. And we need to tenaciously defend the
civilization that has given us these gifts.
We need to realize that Western Civilization is not the worst
civilization in the history of mankind,
it is the best. And we need to defend
its values—freedom of speech, tolerance, and democracy. Topping all that, we need to defend western
civilization’s greatest hidden secret—a perpetual balancing act between three
elements—government, private enterprise, and the protest industry.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">***<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What are Western
civilization’s core values? Democracy,
pluralism, tolerance, and freedom of speech.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The result? Western civilization is the only civilization
in the history of the world that has ever invented:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Human rights<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The abolition of slavery<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The concept of freedom<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Individualism<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The peace movement<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The anti-imperialist movement<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Diversity<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Freedom of speech<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Freedom of the press<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The concept of equality.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The environmental movement<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A concern about endangered species<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A concept of animal rights<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The idea of global warming<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol">·<span style="font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The desire to save the planet<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If Western civilization
goes, all of these things go with it.
Under the Russians, the Chinese, or the Muslims, all of these would
disappear and be replaced by the requirement to say only what the authorities
want you to say. No more rights. No more LGBTQ. No more protests. In Afghanistan, imprisonment in the house for
women. And the right to beat your wife.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div>
<div class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We must keep western
civilization alive. And we must keep
western civilization striving for a glittering future for all of humankind.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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</blockquote><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com><br>
To: fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2022 3:45 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. The "protest industry"<br>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Dear Mariusz and List colleagues,</div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">I much agree with your comments below,
but there is a point where more analysis would be needed (an idea
from Howard could be approached):</div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><i>How can we fight the crisis? In my
opinion, just raising awareness and describing the crisis is not
enough (there are many publications describing the current
crisis). We need systemic changes (e.g. elimination of
commercialism in science) and, above all, we should propose some
positive alternative that will release our intellectual
potential and creative possibilities.</i></div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><i><br clear="none">
</i></div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">In my opinion, aspects such as the
commercialization of science (or of the arts) would not be so
relevant. Conversely, the disconnection of exploratory research
from the very support structures of society could be negative: the
sciences and the arts should be partially autonomous but also
partially applied. This happens in all epochs, inevitably. In our
times, the importance of visual-computer arts in social propaganda
and media advertisement, now coupled with social networks
information/disinformation technologies, has grown enormously. It
has happened in an extremely fast pace, coupled with the new
possibilities to assemble collective agents (new social
identities) that have suddenly dominated large discussion spaces.
These new social media & social networks are sculpting a new
psychology of the masses which becomes very easily exploited by
radical, polarized opinions and anti-system activists. <br clear="none">
</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">The "protest industry", to use Howard's
terms, has gone awry. It is, seemingly, one of the pillars of
Western societies, but if it attacks the foundations of collective
freedoms and the whole historical legacy, it becomes "nihilist
(adolescent?) destruction" rather than mature "creative
destruction" (a la Schumpeter). It is very relevant that the
protest against climatic change was symbolized by an adolescent
(Greta Thunberg). Yes, let us follow adolescents, let us dress
like them, and let us think & act like them.</div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Proposing some positive alternative is
far from easy... a new intellectual avant-garde should crystalize.
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br clear="none">
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</i></div>
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<div id="yiv1459445856yqtfd00705" class="yiv1459445856yqt0929405479">
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">El 26/04/2022 a las 17:27, Mariusz
Stanowski escribió:<br clear="none">
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<div>Dear Pedro and collegues,</div>
<div>I agree that "the historical evolution of art becomes a
fascinating mirror of social evolution itself. Human evolution
like other phenomena of reality is subject to cyclical changes.
Currently we have a crisis in development/evolution, which has
taken the form of a postmodern/neo-Marxist cultural revolution.
Among other things, it consists in the deconstruction of all
values, meanings, and emerging structures-ideas (in the name of
avoiding totalitarianism) with simultaneous dependence on
ideology. <br clear="none">
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<div>As a consequence, it leads to destructive chaos and degradation
consisting in elimination of intellectual diversity and creative
freedom. In such a situation, economic (globalism) or military
(Ukraine) power determines what the world should look like.
Cultural revolutionists have also succeeded in controlling art.
I was at the Venice Biennale 4 years ago and saw Marx's Capital
being read at the same hour/place every day. <br clear="none">
</div>
<div>How can we fight the crisis? In my opinion, just raising
awareness and describing the crisis is not enough (there are
many publications describing the current crisis). We need
systemic changes (e.g. elimination of commercialism in science)
and, above all, we should propose some positive alternative that
will release our intellectual potential and creative
possibilities.<br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Mariusz<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"> dniu 2022-04-26 o 14:20, Pedro C.
Marijuan pisze:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Dear Mariusz,</div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Beyond philosophical nuances, one
of the most intriguing aspects of art would concern its
relationship with the intellectual & cultural ethos of
each epoch.</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Art, stemming from inner drives of
almost unfathomable origins, seems to provide a compensation
for some of the absences in the daily life of citizens (a
mostly urban phenomenon).</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">The observer, or listener, gets
some of the intellective/emotional contents emitted by the art
producer, and that's satisfying for the permanent search for
novelty that characterizes our species in civilized life
regimes.</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Your polysemic use of "contrast" is
well adapted to discuss the above, I think, both in the art
object and in the receiver whole appreciation. <br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">The curious point is that the
historical evolution of art becomes a fascinating mirror of
social evolution itself. Thinking on Western art (classic,
medieval, renaissance, neoclassic, modern...), how contents
and styles have been evolved with the mentality of each
epoch.... Reminding about "media", It would echo what McLuhan
was saying about means of communication: every new media
alters the psychic equilibrium and forces a mental
readaptation of the individual within the whole communication
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Coming to our times, How far could
go the present "deconstruction" of art, seemingly reduced to
presentation of brute "novelty"?</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"> Is there a way back to art
contents satisfying the appetite for intellective/emotional
contents?</div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">To complicate things for the worse,
some portions of "public art" seem to have been swallowed by
the superultimate "cancelation culture".</div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">Is there anything left uncensored
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">I will appreciate your comments
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">El 26/04/2022 a las 9:41, Mariusz
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Dear Joseph,</font></div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Thank you for your
clarification, however I was only referring to Cartesian
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">You also write
that "the best art is neither totally realistic or
abstract but has features of both".</font></div>
<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4"> My understanding
is that there is no absolutely abstract or realistic art
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">art we had both
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Best regards</font></div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2022-04-24 o 16:06, <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="yiv1459445856moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv1459445856moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> pisze:<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="3">Please let me try this first rapid
response, without re-presenting my entire approach. I
understand your desire to avoid dualism, but dualism is
a part of physics, of our world. There is thus "bad"
dualism, which brings in invidious distinctions and
separations. "Good" dualism recognizes the fundamental
difference between what is (primarily) actual and
(primarily) potential, as well as the movement from one
to the other, and between many other real pairs.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">In my logic, ontological and
epistemological entities are in any event not totally
distinct, but <i>some</i> share <i>some</i> of one
another's properties, as do parts and wholes and so on,
without conflation.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">The dualism of electrostatic charge and
magnetic polarity are real and influence the way we
exist and feel neurologically, and cognitively. Another
example is what is called colloquially "up" and "down"
nuclear spin, and there is some thought that some
sub-atomic particles are self-dual. I have even
suggested that a form of self-duality may exist at
cognitive levels of reality. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">As I stated above, the best art is
neither totally realistic or abstract but has features
of both. Perhaps the best strategy is to keep an open
mind on the subject or perhaps, like some sets, a
closed-open (clopen) mind.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Best,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Joseph<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"> Dear Joseph, </div>
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<div class="yiv1459445856moz-cite-prefix"> You've written: "such as
information processes, has both an ontic and an
epistemic component" </div>
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If we introduce a distinction between ontic and
epistemic then we are assuming a dualistic view in
advance, which, for example, I am not in favor of.
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