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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Mariusz and List colleagues,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I much agree with your comments below,
but there is a point where more analysis would be needed (an idea
from Howard could be approached):</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><i>How can we fight the crisis? In my
opinion, just raising awareness and describing the crisis is not
enough (there are many publications describing the current
crisis). We need systemic changes (e.g. elimination of
commercialism in science) and, above all, we should propose some
positive alternative that will release our intellectual
potential and creative possibilities.</i></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In my opinion, aspects such as the
commercialization of science (or of the arts) would not be so
relevant. Conversely, the disconnection of exploratory research
from the very support structures of society could be negative: the
sciences and the arts should be partially autonomous but also
partially applied. This happens in all epochs, inevitably. In our
times, the importance of visual-computer arts in social propaganda
and media advertisement, now coupled with social networks
information/disinformation technologies, has grown enormously. It
has happened in an extremely fast pace, coupled with the new
possibilities to assemble collective agents (new social
identities) that have suddenly dominated large discussion spaces.
These new social media & social networks are sculpting a new
psychology of the masses which becomes very easily exploited by
radical, polarized opinions and anti-system activists. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The "protest industry", to use Howard's
terms, has gone awry. It is, seemingly, one of the pillars of
Western societies, but if it attacks the foundations of collective
freedoms and the whole historical legacy, it becomes "nihilist
(adolescent?) destruction" rather than mature "creative
destruction" (a la Schumpeter). It is very relevant that the
protest against climatic change was symbolized by an adolescent
(Greta Thunberg). Yes, let us follow adolescents, let us dress
like them, and let us think & act like them.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Proposing some positive alternative is
far from easy... a new intellectual avant-garde should crystalize.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 26/04/2022 a las 17:27, Mariusz
Stanowski escribió:<br>
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<p>Dear Pedro and collegues,</p>
<p>I agree that "the historical evolution of art becomes a
fascinating mirror of social evolution itself. Human evolution
like other phenomena of reality is subject to cyclical changes.
Currently we have a crisis in development/evolution, which has
taken the form of a postmodern/neo-Marxist cultural revolution.
Among other things, it consists in the deconstruction of all
values, meanings, and emerging structures-ideas (in the name of
avoiding totalitarianism) with simultaneous dependence on
ideology. <br>
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<p>As a consequence, it leads to destructive chaos and degradation
consisting in elimination of intellectual diversity and creative
freedom. In such a situation, economic (globalism) or military
(Ukraine) power determines what the world should look like.
Cultural revolutionists have also succeeded in controlling art.
I was at the Venice Biennale 4 years ago and saw Marx's Capital
being read at the same hour/place every day. <br>
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<p>How can we fight the crisis? In my opinion, just raising
awareness and describing the crisis is not enough (there are
many publications describing the current crisis). We need
systemic changes (e.g. elimination of commercialism in science)
and, above all, we should propose some positive alternative that
will release our intellectual potential and creative
possibilities.<br>
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<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Mariusz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> dniu 2022-04-26 o 14:20, Pedro C.
Marijuan pisze:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Mariusz,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Beyond philosophical nuances, one
of the most intriguing aspects of art would concern its
relationship with the intellectual & cultural ethos of
each epoch.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Art, stemming from inner drives of
almost unfathomable origins, seems to provide a compensation
for some of the absences in the daily life of citizens (a
mostly urban phenomenon).</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The observer, or listener, gets
some of the intellective/emotional contents emitted by the art
producer, and that's satisfying for the permanent search for
novelty that characterizes our species in civilized life
regimes.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Your polysemic use of "contrast" is
well adapted to discuss the above, I think, both in the art
object and in the receiver whole appreciation. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The curious point is that the
historical evolution of art becomes a fascinating mirror of
social evolution itself. Thinking on Western art (classic,
medieval, renaissance, neoclassic, modern...), how contents
and styles have been evolved with the mentality of each
epoch.... Reminding about "media", It would echo what McLuhan
was saying about means of communication: every new media
alters the psychic equilibrium and forces a mental
readaptation of the individual within the whole communication
mosaic. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Coming to our times, How far could
go the present "deconstruction" of art, seemingly reduced to
presentation of brute "novelty"?</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Is there a way back to art
contents satisfying the appetite for intellective/emotional
contents?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To complicate things for the worse,
some portions of "public art" seem to have been swallowed by
the superultimate "cancelation culture".</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Is there anything left uncensored
of the cultural & artistic past? <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I will appreciate your comments
& opinions --and of the list colleagues,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 26/04/2022 a las 9:41, Mariusz
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Dear Joseph,</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Thank you for your
clarification, however I was only referring to Cartesian
dualism. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">You also write
that "the best art is neither totally realistic or
abstract but has features of both".</font></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4"> My understanding
is that there is no absolutely abstract or realistic art
at all. In the history of <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">art we had both
realism (Courbet) and abstractionism (Kandinsky).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Best regards</font></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Mariusz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2022-04-24 o 16:06, <a
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<font size="3">Dear Mariusz,</font>
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<div><font size="3">Please let me try this first rapid
response, without re-presenting my entire approach. I
understand your desire to avoid dualism, but dualism is
a part of physics, of our world. There is thus "bad"
dualism, which brings in invidious distinctions and
separations. "Good" dualism recognizes the fundamental
difference between what is (primarily) actual and
(primarily) potential, as well as the movement from one
to the other, and between many other real pairs.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">In my logic, ontological and
epistemological entities are in any event not totally
distinct, but <i>some</i> share <i>some</i> of one
another's properties, as do parts and wholes and so on,
without conflation.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">The dualism of electrostatic charge and
magnetic polarity are real and influence the way we
exist and feel neurologically, and cognitively. Another
example is what is called colloquially "up" and "down"
nuclear spin, and there is some thought that some
sub-atomic particles are self-dual. I have even
suggested that a form of self-duality may exist at
cognitive levels of reality. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">As I stated above, the best art is
neither totally realistic or abstract but has features
of both. Perhaps the best strategy is to keep an open
mind on the subject or perhaps, like some sets, a
closed-open (clopen) mind.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Best,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
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Date : 24/04/2022 - 10:52 (CEST)<br>
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Objet : Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. The Interpersonal
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Dear Joseph, </div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> You've written: "such as
information processes, has both an ontic and an
epistemic component" </div>
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If we introduce a distinction between ontic and
epistemic then we are assuming a dualistic view in
advance, which, for example, I am not in favor of.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Best regards </div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Mariusz <br>
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