<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">good take on art, pedro.
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<div>for more along these lines, see my book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br>
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From: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es><br>
To: 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es><br>
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:20 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. The Interpersonal domain. Good Dualism and Bad Dualism<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Dear Mariusz,</div>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Beyond philosophical nuances, one of
the most intriguing aspects of art would concern its relationship
with the intellectual & cultural ethos of each epoch.</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Art, stemming from inner drives of
almost unfathomable origins, seems to provide a compensation for
some of the absences in the daily life of citizens (a mostly urban
phenomenon).</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">The observer, or listener, gets some of
the intellective/emotional contents emitted by the art producer,
and that's satisfying for the permanent search for novelty that
characterizes our species in civilized life regimes.</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Your polysemic use of "contrast" is
well adapted to discuss the above, I think, both in the art object
and in the receiver whole appreciation. <br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">The curious point is that the
historical evolution of art becomes a fascinating mirror of social
evolution itself. Thinking on Western art (classic, medieval,
renaissance, neoclassic, modern...), how contents and styles have
been evolved with the mentality of each epoch.... Reminding about
"media", It would echo what McLuhan was saying about means of
communication: every new media alters the psychic equilibrium and
forces a mental readaptation of the individual within the whole
communication mosaic. <br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Coming to our times, How far could go
the present "deconstruction" of art, seemingly reduced to
presentation of brute "novelty"?</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"> Is there a way back to art contents
satisfying the appetite for intellective/emotional contents?</div>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">To complicate things for the worse,
some portions of "public art" seem to have been swallowed by the
superultimate "cancelation culture".</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Is there anything left uncensored of
the cultural & artistic past? <br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">I will appreciate your comments &
opinions --and of the list colleagues,</div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">El 26/04/2022 a las 9:41, Mariusz
Stanowski escribió:<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Dear Joseph,</font></div>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Thank you for your
clarification, however I was only referring to Cartesian
dualism. <br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">You also write that
"the best art is neither totally realistic or abstract but has
features of both".</font></div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4"> My understanding is
that there is no absolutely abstract or realistic art at all.
In the history of <br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">art we had both
realism (Courbet) and abstractionism (Kandinsky).<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Best regards</font></div>
<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Mariusz<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2022-04-24 o 16:06, <a ymailto="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" class="yiv6332150694moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
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<font size="3">Dear Mariusz,</font>
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<div><font size="3">Please let me try this first rapid response,
without re-presenting my entire approach. I understand your
desire to avoid dualism, but dualism is a part of physics,
of our world. There is thus "bad" dualism, which brings in
invidious distinctions and separations. "Good" dualism
recognizes the fundamental difference between what is
(primarily) actual and (primarily) potential, as well as the
movement from one to the other, and between many other real
pairs.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">In my logic, ontological and epistemological
entities are in any event not totally distinct, but <i>some</i>
share <i>some</i> of one another's properties, as do parts
and wholes and so on, without conflation.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">The dualism of electrostatic charge and
magnetic polarity are real and influence the way we exist
and feel neurologically, and cognitively. Another example is
what is called colloquially "up" and "down" nuclear spin,
and there is some thought that some sub-atomic particles are
self-dual. I have even suggested that a form of self-duality
may exist at cognitive levels of reality. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">As I stated above, the best art is neither
totally realistic or abstract but has features of both.
Perhaps the best strategy is to keep an open mind on the
subject or perhaps, like some sets, a closed-open (clopen)
mind.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Best,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Joseph<br>
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Date : 24/04/2022 - 10:52 (CEST)<br>
À : <a ymailto="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" class="yiv6332150694moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
Objet : Re: [Fis] Book Presentation. The Interpersonal
domain<br>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"> Dear Joseph, </div>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"> You've written: "such as
information processes, has both an ontic and an epistemic
component" </div>
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If we introduce a distinction between ontic and epistemic
then we are assuming a dualistic view in advance, which, for
example, I am not in favor of.
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"> Best regards </div>
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<div class="yiv6332150694moz-cite-prefix"> Mariusz <br>
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