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<br>À : mjs@gl.aiu.ac.jp
<br>Cc : annette.grathoff@is4si.org, mburgin@math.ucla.edu, fis@listas.unizar.es, gordana.dodig-crnkovic@chalmers.se, joe.brenner@bluewin.ch
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If Russian scientists are protesting Russian hostilities, then the hesitation to condemn the aggression on Ukraine can hardly be justified by the concern about cutting possibilities of a dialog.
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We are not talking about sanctions, as we (IS4SI) do not have any power to sanction anyone. However, we have the moral obligation to protest actions which are directed against civilians, against a country which does not have any means to threaten the aggressor.
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as an international community, we need to have in mind how that conflict can be solved. and if there is a conflict, then all conflicting partners need to engage in conflict resolution. it is contraproductive (and inhumane) to oust one side. all are needed for establishing relations that prevent military measures – in our case, the establishment of a common security architecture, that is, including russia, nato states of eu as well as united states. the war will not be halted by sanctions. sanctions do prepare only the next round of escalation, not to speak of providing weaponry to one side. the war can be halted only by negotiations that thematise the underlying grounds of conflict.
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<pre class="">Although I don't have scientific relations with Russian scientists or
mathematicians, I support your proposal.
Mark
On 2/28/2022 8:57 PM, Marcin SCHROEDER wrote:
> Dear Joseph, Dear Friends,
> I support your proposal with my heart and my reason.
> This protest is not against any individual researcher, no matter what
> their nationality is. It is against unprovoked actions of the Russian
> government and military threatening peace in the entire world, against
> actions bringing harm, death and suffering to innocent people of Ukraine.
> Regards,
> Marcin
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> Marcin J. Schroeder, Ph.D.
> Specially Appointed Professor
> Global Learning Center
> IEHE (Institute for Excellence in Higher Education)
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> Tohoku University (東北大学)
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> <a style="cursor: pointer;text-decoration: underline;color: blue;" class="">schroeder.marcin.e4@tohoku.ac.jp</a>
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> Professor Emeritus
> Akita International University, Akita Japan
> <a style="cursor: pointer;text-decoration: underline;color: blue;" class="">mjs@gl.aiu.ac.jp</a> <<a style="cursor: pointer;text-decoration: underline;color: blue;" rel="nofollow noopener" title="mailto:mjs@aiu.ac.jp" class="">mailto:mjs@aiu.ac.jp</a>>
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> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:52 AM <a style="cursor: pointer;text-decoration: underline;color: blue;" class="">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>
> <<a style="cursor: pointer;text-decoration: underline;color: blue;" class="">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> wrote:
>
> Dear Mark, Dear Marcin, Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>
> Today Switzerland gave up its otherwise precious neutrality, and
> two major sports organizations, FIFA and the International Olympic
> Committee, excluded Russian members and athletes. The Russian
> Director and Conductor of the prestigious Verbier Music Festival
> in Switzerland was fired.
>
> Many of us have positions in and relations to Russian scientific
> bodies and publications as authors, editors, reviewers and
> publishers. The question is whether individually or collectively,
> these relations should be terminated. The argument can be made
> that this would tend to be a hardship for and isolate our friends
> in Russia even further. For me, the counterargument is that any
> pressure that makes the Russian regime less viable internationally
> and, temporarily, isolated should be exerted.
>
> We are fortunate in having Mark Burgin and Marcin Schroeder at the
> head of our initiatives. Before making any moves, given their
> direct knowledge of that part of the world, I ask them for their
> guidance.
>
> Thank you and best wishes to all,
>
> Joseph
>
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