<div dir="ltr">Cari amici del Fis,<div>sto seguendo in un ascolto silenzioso il Vostro (e nostro dibattito). Mi permetto di farVi notare o ricordare che qualunque 'informazione</div><div>sta al centro della strategica triade semiotica:significazione, informazione, comunicazione. Quindi, informare (anabolicamente) </div><div>o deformare (catabolicamente) significa dare forma a qualcosa che ha un valore o fare perdere forma a qualcosa che</div><div>è un dis-valore. In estrema sintesi l'informazione non è una notizia, ma un valore o dis-valore. Non aggiungo altro che, alla</div><div>bi-sogna, si trova in una serie numerosa dei miei libri a partire da "Valore e valutazioni" (FrancoAngeli, Milano, 1-4 ed.1999) </div><div>che Pedro conosce.</div><div>Con la gratitudine di sempre Vi dico grazie e Vi abbraccio Tutti.</div><div>Francesco Rizzo</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 29 nov 2021 alle ore 17:39 Karl Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Joseph and Stan,<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thank you again for pointing out in which fields we need to
coordinate what one means when one refers to information. (Thank Wittgenstein,
we can be confident that we shall arrive at a concept that is as common as it
can get in our separate brains.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The apparent controversy between me comparing the essence of
information to flour extracted from wheat and Stan’s ideas to the utilised
forms of the same substance, and your pointed retort, in which you say that the
essence of information lies in the distinction whether a box containing cakes
is a gift r rather a merchandise to be paid for – if this translation of your
implied self-reference is allowed.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We work on two different levels. I am doing the janitor’s
work who investigates, where the seepage comes from, and you discuss kinds of
moulds to flowers that can survive by using the wetness that is everywhere in
quite many forms.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In both my examples: flour, seepage, the idea should come
across, that we have identified the source of the manifold phaenomena we meet
in everyday life and also in theory. There are two parts that both include
something, like milling stones or plumbing connections, and there is an
inexactitude between the two parts. The inexactitude is advantageous in the
case of milling wheat, because the extent of inexactitude between the two stones
determines the fineness of the flour. In the case of two sections of plumbing
not fitting ideally and allowing a seep, the connotations are usually negative.
There is something fractured between the millstones of reality. Reality is
urging to be seen as a duality, in which the two parts do not fit quite
exactly.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">That what is being finely ground is not lost. That is information.
Information is the re-elementarised substance of logical relations, the junk
that comes from de-structuring alternatives that also could have been. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">That what is the case is contained in that what can be the
case. That what has become the case is as different to that which is not the
case, as <i>a </i>is different to <i>b. </i>The remaining alternatives keep
existing, but they suffer a de-structuralisation. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In a game, in Situation X player is confronted with decision
whether to prepare for war against A or against B. After it has become clear
that only 1 enemy attacks, and this is A, the troops that were assembled during
preparation for a war with B and for a war against both, can be demobilised.
The process of un-structuring an army or two is comparable to the grinding of
wheat into flour. The structure, the administration gets annihilated, not the
reservists. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There will be many better and more didactic examples for a
hands-on transmission of the idea how information is generated and of what. The
concept needs two interdependent parts that have manifold relations between each
other. One can easily demonstrate conflicting requirements affecting elements
of a collection by sorting and ordering the collection on different aspects.
That demonstration uses terms like ‘sequence’, ‘order’, ‘aspect’ and so forth,
thereby already on a higher abstraction level than the most basic logical
experiences a child can make. Sorting, ordering, cycles and all that are
already discussing the various forms of information. Here, we want to find its
most basic variant, which must then lie in a simple two-dimensional world.
Information as such in its axiomatic form is the difference between ‘same’ and ‘different’
which the neurology of the baby processes. Indeed, it is the relation between
similar and diverse which serves as the two grinding stones de-structuring
alternatives that have not come to pass. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1. The basic duality must be understood<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2. The two readings relate to similarities and diversities<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">3. Both parts of the duality have some common property: the
number of their elements and the number of relations that exist on that number
of elements<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">4. The 3 contributors to the equilibrium are: number of
elements, number of similarities among the elements, number of diversities
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">5. Their relations do not map quite exactly into each other,
see <a href="http://oeis.org/A242615" target="_blank">oeis.org/A242615</a>.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">6. There exist expected values based on: {(# el, # sim), (# el,
# div), (# sim, # div)} for the 3<sup>rd</sup> value<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">7. The actual values are in deviation to the expected values,
as a rule.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">8. There is a numeric extent to the deviation; this extent has
many measurement forms: it should be called information.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The satisfaction of the miller on understanding the relation
between wheat and flour is of course of no great relevance for the tradesmen in
delicatessen, although in all probability they also calculate based on the odd
vs common, average vs unusual, extraordinary vs as expected properties of their
merchandise. In whichever interaction, the extent of being otherwise is the
ultimate argument, be it choosing food, habitat or a mate. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We have found the fundamental explanation to the content of
the concept of ‘extent of being otherwise’ by connecting that what can be
otherwise to that what is such as it is. We use the natural numbers to anchor
the information measurement device. Sliding like on pairwise rails, we generate
expectations based on two of the three aspects of a description of the state of
the world. Relative to how many they are and how {<i>similar, diverse</i>} they
are, we expect them to be so {<i>diverse, similar</i>}. Relative to how diverse they
are, we expect them so {<i>many, similar</i>}. Relative to how similar they are,
we expect them to be so {<i>many, diverse</i>}. <span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The short of it: information is the extent of a deviation.
What deviates from what is freely chosen. In the context you operate, it is the
deviation between the intended meaning to the meaning understood, or something
on that complexity level, if I have understood you right. In the infrastructure
room, one is happy that one has found how information has always been a part of
the picture, only we have not noticed it so far. Information is the collection
of the constituents of alternatives that have not been realised. This is an immanent
feature of the numbering system and can be captured by using a three-way
ledger. This has nothing to do yet with what Joseph and Stan discuss, nevertheless
the rational kernel of the statements of Joseph and Stan will be retractable to
expectations and observations, and the difference theseof. It is a very
important, fundamental axiom that a) two functions cross twice b) objects are
but a different name for structures c) the diversity/similarity coefficient
varies with <i>n </i>locally, but is invariant to <i>n </i>globally d) the
deviation - the information – can have an independent accounting existence, can
add up and reach thresholds. This is a world view which has done away with
dichotomies and polarisations. The basic concept is that everything is as
usual. The usual has many ways to be present. The most usual has many forms.
These forms can be recognised among the patterns that elements of a simple
collection produce when subjected to periodic changes.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">To summarise: my statement that information is contained in
the fabric of reality does not contradict your statement that information has forms,
established usage patterns and is accepted as part of the furniture of our
intellectual world. I say: this kind of water that flows among the cells of the
sugar cane is information, you say: bonbons are fine gifts.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks again for your interest.<span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Fr., 26. Nov. 2021 um 14:37 Uhr schrieb <a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="3">Dear Karl,</font><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">With my really best wishes, I think you have missed Stan's point. Your example is "blocked" at wheat, flour and bread - inbuilt features. Even though there are processes connecting them - wheat has the potential for becoming flour and flour bread, there is no dynamic self/recursion.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Stan's AFFORDANCE is an example of of the latter. It is a demonstration of the dynamic "dimension" of information, which is and carries meaning. </font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Joseph<br></font><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px">----Message d'origine----<br>De : <a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a><br>Date : 26/11/2021 - 06:51 (E)<br>À : <a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" target="_blank">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a><br>Cc : <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>Objet : Re: [Fis] [External Email] Re: DECRETUM: Concordance of the Discordant<br><br><div dir="auto">
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Let me reformulate your thoughts on AFFORDANCE being the main point of information, by demonstrating the ideas on the example of wheat, flour and bread.
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Basically, we have no contradictions between our opinions.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">you have always been a choice diplomat. Your reasoning on the necessity of the task before us formulates quite elegantly: “…the lack of a nucleus of new thought on which to edifice and extend the alternative paradigm.” This is overdoing diplomacy, a white lie. There does exist indeed a nucleus of new thought that can serve as the basic skeleton of a powerful transition in epistemology towards a new paradigm. The new paradigm has been found solidly rooted in the old paradigms, living in a small fissure between the parts of the whole. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Those world views, where there exists no transition between parts of a whole, where the parts weld seamlessly, are the basis for the present system of paradigms we live in. The unified world view has been enforced by the sword in the Cathar Crusades. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The new world view accepts that there is a basic duality, and that there are manifold relations between the parts that make up a whole. As Wittgenstein has pointed out, our own neurology sets the difficulties and limits in that what we can understand and interpersonally talk about. The two parts of the whole are in the new paradigm those neuronal references that describe the diversity of objects as opposed to the similarity of the objects perceived. The two opposing parts that make up the whole are the signals neurology produces on sensing an object, split into descriptions about how diverse the situation is and into how similar the situation is. Our neurology uses two screens as two backgrounds to refer to something that is as well similar and diverse, like all impressions a new-born receives. When perceiving a multitude, our neurology splits those tokens that refer to similarities among elements of the multitude from tokens that refer to diversities among the elements of the multitude.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The good news is that the extent of dis-calibration among the two parts of the world has been tracked down and can be solidly connected to the well-know fundament built by the natural numbers. We simply have to undo the split neurology has presented us with, by 1) acknowledging its existence, 2) create suitable measurement devices to correct the effects of the split. After these steps, one may 3) apply principles of interferometry while employing two measurement devices that are in a defined way dis-calibrated relative to each other.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The existence of a split in results of measurements in two dimensions is a problem of proportions. The two descriptive dimensions are similarity and diversity. How much diversity can exist in an assembly, and this relative to how manifold ways of inner similarities are there, is in itself a composite. How diverse relative to how similar is a basic property of assemblies, even though our neurology processes the two aspects in two channels and merges them again in cognition. The linear dis-calibrations disappear, next to <i>n=1</i> also at <i>n=32, 97. </i>There is a very slight slack between the two functions, near <i>n=11, 66</i>. The two measurement rods will cease to refer meaningfully to each other above <i>n=140. </i>There is a critical region at <i>n={136,137}, </i>where the relative bias first reaches the extent of a whole unit. (It appears Eddington was right.) The relations between: how many – how diverse – how similar will keep their mutual restrictions, regardless of which unit one chooses <i>n </i>to be, from the smallest to the biggest of collections of parts will be subject to the interdependence.<i></i>(From sub-molecular to galactic.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There may be reluctance to see the hologram of the Holy Grail. There exists an aspect of assemblies, namely how diverse their members are among themselves. There exists an aspect of assemblies, namely how similar their members are among themselves. There is a quotient between these two measurements. The ideal range of this quotient varies with the number of members in the assembly. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The world view offered by reading a philosophy into the picture of two functions crossing twice is basically a dual one. Using the concept as a link to established results can help integrating the new paradigm into the system built up by the traditional ones.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So, Pedro indeed, please allow me to state for the record that the simple facts presented in <i><a href="http://oeis.org/A242615" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">oeis.org/A242615</a></i>are, in my opinion, a nucleus of new thought. It was important for Mendel to have his opinion recorded that the rules he observed are of a fundamental nature. Of course, lacking the vocabulary, hypotheses, experiments, observations, his contemporaries stood uncomprehending before his explanations. One who does not see the cracks between the parts of the whole, will make no use of their forms, patterns or their eligibility as habitat. Mendel’s idea was that the rule is separable from its carrier, but is immanent to that. His contemporaries were still puzzling about who and when and how has created the mysteries of heritage, while Mendel shouted: it is in the matter itself, not an outside invention or a creation! Today, learned colleagues wonder how the mysteries of being otherwise relate to the rules of being such as expected, and need remembering that the answer is in the matter itself: information is an inbuilt feature in a world which does not segregate descriptions due to neurological expediency.<span></span></p>
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In response to Joseph and Krassimir, I think there might be an important first step. Taking (for clarity) Yixin's terminology on "paradigm revolution" in information science, the problem becomes clear: the lack of a nucleus of new thought on which to edifice and extend the alternative paradigm. Some of my learned colleagues will energetically exhibit their own constructions, myself included, but helas (or alas)... Then, all compilations, thesaurus, recollections, etc. we may attempt become just interesting learned exercises.
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Our medieval colleague, Doctor Gratianus was indeed initiating "scientia nova" in Canon Law, as he was achieving the concordance of the discordant (basically between the multiplicity of civil laws and religious canons) by applying the central principle of rationality and of common sense (both!) to the multiple legal situations of social life. It was a new way of thinking in that time, continued by more brilliant thinkers in the following centuries.
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