<div dir="auto">Dear Stan,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you for reading my for-the-record contribution.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let me reformulate your thoughts on AFFORDANCE being the main point of information, by demonstrating the ideas on the example of wheat, flour and bread. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I say flour is immanent to wheat. </div><div dir="auto">You say feeding is the test of the flour, therefore he who can afford bread is well fed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Basically, we have no contradictions between our opinions. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Karl </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Stanley N Salthe <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu">ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>> schrieb am Do., 25. Nov. 2021, 16:11:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Karl -- Regarding your:<div>"<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px">information is an inbuilt feature in a world which does not segregate descriptions due to neurological expediency"</span></div><div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px">I think that information is not so much an inbuilt Part of the world as an AFFORDANCE allowing its creation by those that need to, or wish to, be informed.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px">STAN</span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 9:53 AM Karl Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Dear Pedro,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">you have always been a choice diplomat. Your reasoning on
the necessity of the task before us formulates quite elegantly: “…the lack of a
nucleus of new thought on which to edifice and extend the alternative paradigm.”
This is overdoing diplomacy, a white lie. There does exist indeed a nucleus of
new thought that can serve as the basic skeleton of a powerful transition in
epistemology towards a new paradigm. The new paradigm has been found solidly
rooted in the old paradigms, living in a small fissure between the parts of the
whole. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Those world views, where there exists no transition between
parts of a whole, where the parts weld seamlessly, are the basis for the
present system of paradigms we live in. The unified world view has been
enforced by the sword in the Cathar Crusades. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The new world view accepts that there is a basic duality,
and that there are manifold relations between the parts that make up a whole.
As Wittgenstein has pointed out, our own neurology sets the difficulties and
limits in that what we can understand and interpersonally talk about. The two
parts of the whole are in the new paradigm those neuronal references that
describe the diversity of objects as opposed to the similarity of the objects
perceived. The two opposing parts that make up the whole are the signals
neurology produces on sensing an object, split into descriptions about how
diverse the situation is and into how similar the situation is. Our neurology
uses two screens as two backgrounds to refer to something that is as well
similar and diverse, like all impressions a new-born receives. When perceiving
a multitude, our neurology splits those tokens that refer to similarities among
elements of the multitude from tokens that refer to diversities among the elements
of the multitude.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The good news is that the extent of dis-calibration among
the two parts of the world has been tracked down and can be solidly connected
to the well-know fundament built by the natural numbers. We simply have to undo
the split neurology has presented us with, by 1) acknowledging its existence,
2) create suitable measurement devices to correct the effects of the split.
After these steps, one may 3) apply principles of interferometry while
employing two measurement devices that are in a defined way dis-calibrated
relative to each other.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The existence of a split in results of measurements in two
dimensions is a problem of proportions. The two descriptive dimensions are
similarity and diversity. How much diversity can exist in an assembly, and this
relative to how manifold ways of inner similarities are there, is in itself a
composite. How diverse relative to how similar is a basic property of
assemblies, even though our neurology processes the two aspects in two channels
and merges them again in cognition. The linear dis-calibrations disappear, next
to <i>n=1</i> also at <i>n=32, 97. </i>There is a very slight slack between the
two functions, near <i>n=11, 66</i>. The two measurement rods will cease to
refer meaningfully to each other above <i>n=140. </i>There is a critical region
at <i>n={136,137}, </i>where the relative bias first reaches the extent of a
whole unit. (It appears Eddington was right.) The relations between: how many –
how diverse – how similar will keep their mutual restrictions, regardless of
which unit one chooses <i>n </i>to be, from the smallest to the biggest of
collections of parts will be subject to the interdependence.<i> </i>(From sub-molecular
to galactic.)<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">There may be reluctance to see the hologram of the Holy
Grail. There exists an aspect of assemblies, namely how diverse their members
are among themselves. There exists an aspect of assemblies, namely how similar
their members are among themselves. There is a quotient between these two
measurements. The ideal range of this quotient varies with the number of
members in the assembly. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The world view offered by reading a philosophy into the picture
of two functions crossing twice is basically a dual one. Using the concept as a
link to established results can help integrating the new paradigm into the
system built up by the traditional ones.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">So, Pedro indeed, please allow me to state for the record
that the simple facts presented in <i><a href="http://oeis.org/A242615" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oeis.org/A242615</a> </i>are, in my opinion,
a nucleus of new thought. It was important for Mendel to have his opinion recorded
that the rules he observed are of a fundamental nature. Of course, lacking the
vocabulary, hypotheses, experiments, observations, his contemporaries stood uncomprehending
before his explanations. One who does not see the cracks between the parts of
the whole, will make no use of their forms, patterns or their eligibility as
habitat. Mendel’s idea was that the rule is separable from its carrier, but is
immanent to that. His contemporaries were still puzzling about who and when and
how has created the mysteries of heritage, while Mendel shouted: it is in the
matter itself, not an outside invention or a creation! Today, learned
colleagues wonder how the mysteries of being otherwise relate to the rules of
being such as expected, and need remembering that the answer is in the matter
itself: information is an inbuilt feature in a world which does not segregate
descriptions due to neurological expediency.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Karl<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span> </span></p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Mi., 24. Nov. 2021 um 14:03 Uhr schrieb Pedro C. Marijuán <<a href="mailto:pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedroc.marijuan@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In response to Joseph and Krassimir, I
think there might be an important first step. Taking (for clarity)
Yixin's terminology on "paradigm revolution" in information
science, the problem becomes clear: the lack of a nucleus of new
thought on which to edifice and extend the alternative paradigm.
Some of my learned colleagues will energetically exhibit their own
constructions, myself included, but helas (or alas)... Then, all
compilations, thesaurus, recollections, etc. we may attempt become
just interesting learned exercises. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Our medieval colleague, Doctor
Gratianus was indeed initiating "scientia nova" in Canon Law, as
he was achieving the concordance of the discordant (basically
between the multiplicity of civil laws and religious canons) by
applying the central principle of rationality and of common sense
(both!) to the multiple legal situations of social life. It was a
new way of thinking in that time, continued by more brilliant
thinkers in the following centuries.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Where is that new thought or central
principle(s) of information that are eluding us?</div>
<div>Tomorrow I will post a poetic version
of the question.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards to all,</div>
<div>--Pedro<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>El 18/11/2021 a las 16:43,
<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> escribió:<br>
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<div><font size="3" face="trebuchet ms">Dear Pedro,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="trebuchet ms">Very interesting, thank
you. I will think about your methodological point. In the
meantime, I started thinking about audiences/partners for this
initiative. On idea was people involved in the Philosophy of
Law. Another related field is that of ethics - a rapprochement
with Rafael Capurro might be envisaged. The issues are too
important not to make fresh starts everywhere one can.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="trebuchet ms">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="trebuchet ms"><br>
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<div><font size="3">Joseph</font></div>
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>Date : 18/11/2021 - 14:24 (E)<br>
>À : <a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fis@listas.unizar.es</a><br>
>Objet : [Fis] DECRETUM: Concordance of the Discordant<br>
><br>
>Dear FIS Colleagues,<br>
><br>
>In the early XII Century, something very interesting
occurred around the <br>
>first university created in Europe (Bologna). The situation
of law in <br>
>that time was very confusing, with overlapping civil and
religious <br>
>canons that had been developed independently. Gratian
(Gratianus) was a <br>
>fine jurist and canon lawyer operating in Tuscany, and
teacher, and <br>
>monastic rubricator in Bologna. He produced an admirable
synthesis, <br>
>Decretum: Concordia Discordantium Canonum. In the first,
more concise, <br>
>version, the synthetic work was framed in three parts: a
sophisticate <br>
>Introduction in which fundamental Distinctiones
(distinctions) were <br>
>made, and a second part with 36 causae or situations divided
into <br>
>concrete questions with systematic commentaries (Summae).
The third <br>
>part discussed the difficulties, bringing forward solutions
via <br>
>different auctoritates from a variety of sources.<br>
><br>
>The work supposed a watershed for Western Law. He was
acclaimed as <br>
>Father of the Canon Law, appreciatively cited in Dante's
Divine Comedy <br>
>(with a place in Paradise!), and considered as the creator
of rational <br>
>law. Gratian himself coined the term "scientia nova" (new
science) <br>
>referring to his synthesis, which indeed became highly
influential <br>
>outside law, particularly concerning his methodology of
questions and <br>
>systematic commentaries or Summae. Actually, later great
synthesizers in <br>
>philosophy and theology (Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas)
were <br>
>influenced by his method, as well the further development of
the <br>
>Scholastic School in next centuries...<br>
><br>
>Could the reflection on Doctor Gratianus strenuous work
& clever <br>
>methodology, bringing concordance among the discordant, be
of interest <br>
>for our troubles on the general study of information and on
the <br>
>foundations of information science in particular? In my own
case, those <br>
>ten fundamental principles I penned time ago, could be
easily <br>
>transformed into a few of the questions... Rather than
looking for the <br>
>single, exclusive point of view, the participation in
establishing <br>
>concordance among the discordant via a multidisciplinary
spattering of <br>
>basic questions is what transpires when one contemplates the
historic of <br>
>our list debates. See the 64 "questions" FIS has dealt with
up to now: <br>
><a href="https://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://fis.sciforum.net/fis-discussion-sessions/</a> Of
course, with <br>
>hindsight, it could be done better.<br>
><br>
>All the best,<br>
><br>
>--Pedro<br>
><br>
><br>
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