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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Dear Dai and All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>This brief note of Dai’s raises some extremely important philosophical
issues, as have other recent notes, about which I am sure we will both agree
and disagree. For example, I agree that seeing ‘connections’, insights and
keeping the mind flexible are all ‘good’ things, but I disagree with the value
ascribed to metaphors. They may result in making it difficult to see things as
they are, and real art for me is about the latter, not the former. Seeing one
thing in terms of another is for me a description of Peircean signs, one thing ‘standing’
for another, and standing for me means standing still.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>My thanks to Dai for filling a gap in my knowledge; I was not aware
of Koestler’s bisociation, mentally combining two things to form a third. This can
certainly be part of the creative process, without exhausting it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>In any case, poetry is suggestive for us students of information and
information flows since it makes very real the different (recursive and
entangled) levels at which things can be interpreted. Thus, in my opinion, it
is not absolutely necessary, as suggested by Howard, that science be placed at
a ‘higher’ level to insure the value of both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans Unicode"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Fis [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Dai Griffiths<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> mercredi, 19 mai 2021 16:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> fis@listas.unizar.es<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] [External
Email] Re: Wake up call. Poetry and Utility</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Perhaps a
rather mundane view on this is that part of the importance of poetry, and the
other arts, is to do with metaphor. Seeing one thing in terms of another is, I
think, a good practice for keeping the mind flexible. It would be interesting
to know what cognitive effects might result from doing cryptic crosswords every
day.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Metaphor
can also lead to insight, as proposed by Bateson's 'pattern that connects', and
also by Koestler's concept of bisociation. Seeing more of these connections can
only help us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dai<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 15/05/2021 10:56, Joseph Brenner wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:navy'>Dear Karl and Stan,<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><u5:p><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'> </u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Thank you for this truly transdisciplinary exchange. My suggestion
is that the “restarting” of thinking that Karl describes in fact takes place
numerous times, as there are unfortunately many “restoppings” in life as well. <u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><u5:p><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'> </u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Also, however, if poetry can have the role that you both describe,
is it just to say it is not useful? Perhaps its utility (and that of other art)
in our mental <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Haushalt</span></i> is much
greater than it is usually given credit for.<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><u5:p><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'> </u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Best,<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='navy'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode";
color:navy'>Joseph<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 3:50 PM Stanley N Salthe <</span><a
href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" moz-do-not-send=true><span lang=EN-GB>ssalthe@binghamton.edu</span></a></font><span
lang=EN-GB>> wrote:<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Karl -- I think that you have touched upon an interesting way to
suggest the meaning and effect of poetry. Since it is not concerned with<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>presenting factual
or useful information, we may well search for a raison d'etre of
poetry. It is, I think, a way of eliciting understandings<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>that are not
available by way of everyday language use, but which many of us had
some more direct way of engaging when we were young <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>at certain
ages. So poetry may be viewed as a technique for eliciting feelings by
way of providing guidance through unusual imagery, which<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>may be evoked
verbally. This supposes that the reader of poetry is seriously engaged --
a condition of the 'soul' requiring some isolation<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>from the busy world
of practical information exchanges. Poetry 'informs' us by eiicting, or drawing
out, feelings, which can be imputed to (some)<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>'serious' music
as well. Thank you for asking this question!<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>STAN<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>On Thu, May 13, 2021
at 10:03 AM Karl Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>I did not dare to
evaluate the positive connotations to poetry poetic rhetorically lanced.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>I'd be honored to
feel a sympathy from you. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>In fact, it is not
that easy to sell a solution to a problem that the customer doesn't recognize
he has. One may in such a situation digress into allegory and chiseled haiku.
The customer needs an inner education, and needs to be seduced into restarting
thinking by means of cortical complexes which he had last time coordinated at
the age of 5 6 or 7 years.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>Would you tell me,
please, in such words as you choose, what I am trying to say? This would help
me tremendously. I am longing for a conservation.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>Karl <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>Stanley N Salthe <<a
href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>>
schrieb am Do., 13. Mai 2021, 15:47:<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"'>Karl -- As a sometime/occasional poet, I
find your statement (if not a joke) 'interesting'. Is 'poetic' derogatory
because<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"'>poetic productions are often indirect,
vague, ironic, nugatory?<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times
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12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"'>STAN <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times
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12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"'>On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 7:57 AM Karl
Javorszky <<a href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Stan,<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Poetic is a derogatory term (in context information theory)?<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Karl <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Stanley N Salthe <<a href="mailto:ssalthe@binghamton.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>ssalthe@binghamton.edu</a>> schrieb am
Mi., 12. Mai 2021, 16:18:<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Karl wrote: </span></font><font size=1><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>What Joseph says is that the system of rational relations leaves
something necessarily aside, which is not accessible by its methods. The
background to rational thinking is of course irrational. There is something,
besides, alongside, around the system created by rational thoughts, and how
this relates to that what we can clearly understand is what Philosophy centres
on. </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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9.0pt'>S: There is Poetic Thinking.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
9.0pt'>STAN</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 6:40 AM Karl Javorszky <<a
href="mailto:karl.javorszky@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>karl.javorszky@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Comments on Joe Brenner:
Information in Operation: Probability<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Once again, Joseph’s
train of thought is a textbook example of the truism, that Philosophy is the
mother of all sciences, and that one can recognise (a part) of philosophic
sentences as true, if their content is being observed in her daughters’
contextual framework, too. Those divinations within the realm, where there are
unanswered questions, which result in empirical verification, are commonly
understood to be true.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What Joseph says is that
the system of rational relations leaves something necessarily aside, which is
not accessible by its methods. The background to rational thinking is of course
irrational. There is something, besides, alongside, around the system created
by rational thoughts, and how this relates to that what we can clearly
understand is what Philosophy centres on. Adorno criticised Wittgenstein’s
refusal to deal with the inexact, saying that the job of a philosopher is to
address that, what is unknown, not to describe the grammar of that, what is
already known. Joseph speaks about that, what was hopelessly inexplicable in
Wittgenstein’s time. At that time, cataloguing, systematising and regulating
that what was known was a necessary step to consolidate and to serve as a basis
for the next step.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The general observations
by Joseph about the landscape of the unknown treat the subject in terms of
probability and countability. His philosophic thoughts have already given birth
to a daughter-science, of which the name is not yet decided, but many will
recognise familiar features of the new-born.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Advancing from the basis
laid down by Wittgenstein, knowledge gained from insights into the grammar and
syntax of logical sentences has led the technical daughter to experiment with
demonstrative examples of probability and countability. Results from the
workshop support the design concepts from the creatives. In fact, the known and
the unknown have to interact, as we continue living in a world that consists of
foregrounds and backgrounds, which at times can be interchanged. The relation
of the background to the foreground may remain a philosophical mystery forever,
but systematically exchanging the background-foreground properties observed on
an experimental population set free in its natural habitat shows that there are
laws of interactions between the two. These touch on probability and
countability. Seen from the inside, it is very hard to decide, which tools of
prediction one uses when observing predictable periodic changes: are these the
positions, the masses involved, their speed, their history or their personal
properties? The property of being <i><span style='font-style:italic'>so many</span></i>
is one among many other determinants. If the background is axiomatic to the
foreground, there is no information, as Joseph points out. Information is
involved, if <i><span style='font-style:italic'>based on this
<background/foreground>, </span></i>one would expect a<i><span
style='font-style:italic'> different <foreground/background>. </span></i>It
may appear a heroic undertaking of accounting to filter out the connections
between background and foreground <i><span style='font-style:italic'>as such, </span></i>but
it helps immensely, if we have a conceptual picture of how two interdependent
logical systems interact, irrespectively of how one names them. In Joe’s case,
these are named Logic and Reality. Wittgenstein called them that, what we can
and that we cannot speak about exactly. Our neurology suggests we see them as a
contrast-generating dichotomy. Experiments with logical primitives show that
the problem can be studied in great detail. <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Summarising:</span></font></b>
Information in Operation: Probability delineates concepts that are well
supported by technical observations.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Am Mi., 12. Mai 2021 um 11:15 Uhr schrieb Joseph Brenner <<a
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>>:<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>Dear
Marcin and Pedro,</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'> </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>Thank
you for the reminder. For possible comments, I attach my one-page Abstract; the
full paper, on information and probability, will be submitted to Mark Burgin’s
Conference on Theoretical and Foundational Problems.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'> </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>I
welcome Pedro’s concept of re-opening the discussion of Natural Intelligence.
This subject has come up in the recent work of our colleagues, Zhong Yixin, Shi
Zhongzhi and Zhao Chuan on Intelligence Science. This topic is also mentioned
as one for discussion in the Conference on the Philosophy of Information. My
hope is that that it might attract, finally, some new work.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'> </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>I
look forward to a dialogue on these issues,</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'> </span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=navy face="Lucida Sans ;color:navy"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>Best
wishes,</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans \;color\:navy";color:navy'>Joseph
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fis [mailto:<a
href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marcin SCHROEDER<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> mercredi, 12 mai 2021 08:22<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pedro C. Marijuan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fis] Wake up call</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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you Pedro for the reminder about the IS4SI Summit. If someone did not
consider yet their participation in the Summit, please visit the
website <a href="https://summit-2021.is4si.org/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>https://summit-2021.is4si.org/</span></font></a>.
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>The deadline for submission of extended
abstracts is June 15, 2021.</span></b> Participation in the Summit is free from
any conference fee. There will be multiple choices for the publication of
papers presented at the Summit's eleven conferences. There is an option to
present different papers at more than one conference. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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again, thank you Pedro for the "wake-up call".<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
FISers,<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>You will
remember in those ancient times of travels and hotels (so distant now!) the
request in the front desk for a wake up call... we should be on time for the
presentations or for the shuttle to the airport. <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In these
strange times of ours, of unrelenting isolation, every month our stamina
reserves are little by little depleted, at least for those not directly involved
in the duties of academic life or institutional research. How a wake up call
might be arranged for those of us at the brisk of depression?<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In June
15th is the deadline for participating in the IS4SI 2021 conference. See <a
href="https://summit-2021.is4si.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>https://summit-2021.is4si.org/</a><u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><u><font size=3 face="Times New
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font-family:"Times New\000D\000A"'>I think we should massively participate.</span></font></u>
Let us post our tentative abstracts in the list, as Howard did, and let us have
preliminary discussions. <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Personally,
I will send an abstract to one of the sessions (still undecided which one could
be fitting) about<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>THE
PARADIGM OF NATURAL INTELLIGENCE<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It will
be argued that intelligence is a universal phenomenon present in all forms of
life. It requires a new form of relationship with the environment, implying not
only openness to energy flows but to information flows as well. External
information processing, coupled with internal information processing, may
produce an adaptive life cycle that manifests (natural) intelligence, produces
meaning, and realizes fitness value. Out from the basic prokaryotic
conformation, the unit of natural intelligence, it may develop hierarchically,
via multicellularity, and particularly with the evolution of nervous systems.
Then, natural intelligence fully develops up to the point, in the human case,
of exhibiting pieces of artificial intelligence that mimic some of the basic
properties of the former. It will be finally argued that without a proper
understanding of natural intelligence, the scientific foundations of artificial
intelligence will be shaky--notwithstanding the technological grandeur it is
effectively achieving. But unbridled, half-understood technologies are not a
panacea for societies. Often the opposite.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best
regards to all!<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>--Pedro<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre cols=72><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-------------------------------------------------<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Pedro C. Marijuán<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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