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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Krassimir, it looks a good idea.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Those parties sending their abstracts,
we should understand, are asking for discussion.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Then, here there are some comments on
Howard's.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">"What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate
material that was toast with butter and jam to the cockroaches,
the perfect food-- sugars and short-chain fatty acids..." <br>
</span></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">Quite right. </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">Waste of one species becomes excellent food for
another. </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">I
was then reminded Jerry's recent comments on entropy as being
somehow analogous with </span><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">"forms of natural wastes, such as feces, dung,
shit, urine, etc." Well, it depends. Entropy itself, in Gibbs'
free energy, becomes a frequent positive contribution to the
chemical reaction free energy (when there is an entropy increase
of products respect reactants). And it often helps in enzyme
function too (e.g., by entropy change in vicinal water that
empowers the enzyme for overcoming the activation energy
barrier). Things in nature usually work in a series of
conjugated, networked yin-yang relationships--rather than
absolutes. </span>
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transparent"><br>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">About the substance of the abstract, Who knows?
Michel Conrad made a curious relationship --tradeoff
principle-- between adaptability, evolvability, and
information processing. An increase of the latter diminishes
the former. So, we may find less capable people as they rely
more and more on external algorithms or processing gadgets...
is it already happening with the current generation, socially
less and less adapted precisely because of their
over-immersion onto "social networks"?<br>
</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">"If all goes well, that will be the relationship
of AI and humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment." Not
necessarily. This biological argument is based on an
exception. For <i>most </i>inter-species long term
evolutionary encounters conduce to... extinction. <br>
</span></div>
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transparent"><br>
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">Gloom and Doom!</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:
transparent">--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 14/02/2021 a las 16:57, Krassimir
Markov escribió:<br>
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<div><font size="4">Dear <span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><font
face="Verdana"><font face="Calibri">Howard,</font></font></span></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><font
face="Verdana"><font face="Calibri">Thank you for the
abstract.</font></font></span></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">You are
right!<br>
<br>
Dear Pedro,<br>
Maybe it is a good idea to discuss some abstracts in FIS
list.<br>
I think, the moderators of sessions may take a such
decision.<br>
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<div><font size="4"><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Friendly
greetings</span></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Krassimir</span></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><span style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"></span></font> </div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
title="howlbloom@aol.com"
href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Howard Bloom</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 14, 2021 3:06 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="fis@listas.unizar.es"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">fis@listas.unizar.es</a> ; <a
title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
moz-do-not-send="true">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Abstract--Electronic
Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria</div>
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<div style="COLOR: black; FONT: 10pt verdana, arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">i've submitted the following
abstract to wolfgang hofkirchner for his digital humanism
section of the conference:
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<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Electronic
Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Howard Bloom</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:howlbloom@aol.com">howlbloom@aol.com</a></span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Author, The Lucifer
Principle: a Scientific Expedition into the Forces
of History</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Chairman, The Howard Bloom
Institute</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Founder and co-chair, The
Asian Space Technology Summit</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Former Visiting Scholar,
Graduate Psychology Department, New York
University</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Former Core Faculty
Member, The Graduate Institute, Meriden,
Connecticut</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="TEXT-ALIGN: left"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
13px">Some say that we should not let humanity’s
new electronic frontiers reshape us. But every
time technology has reshaped us, it has upgraded
us. To see how synergies with electronic systems
like artificial intelligence can give humanity and
humanism new powers, look at how bacteria have
gained new abilities over the last billion years.
They could have anticipated being annihilated by
the new multicellulars and tried to stop
multicellular formation. But the multicellulars
did not wipe out their single-celled forebears.
Far from it. They worked out deals with the
multi-cellulars. And those cooperative
arrangements gave both the microbes and the
multi-cellular beasts whole new powers, whole new
ways to make a living. Look, for example, at the
cockroaches that first showed up on the planet 320
million years ago. For 69 million years, the
cockroaches were limited to easily digestible
food. But there was hard stuff all around them
bursting with nourishment. That oh, too solid
stuff was the tree. And there was no way that the
digestive system of cockroaches could turn bark
and wood into tasty treats. Then came over 33
species of bacteria and set up shop in the
cockroach’s guts. Species like Paenibacillus
lactis, Lysinibacillusmacrolides, and
Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.</span><span
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">[i] </span><span
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">These
microbial wonders could eat cellulose, the hard
stuff that had previously made wood indigestible.
What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate
material that was toast with butter and jam to the
cockroaches, the perfect food-- sugars and
short-chain fatty acids. In exchange, the microbes
used cockroaches as their transport and chewing
machines. The cockroaches empowered by their
bacterial colonists to eat trees took off on an
evolutionary path of their own. Today we call them
termites. And there are 2,000 species of them.
Which means that once the lowly cockroach allowed
cellulose-eating bacteria and flagellates to turn
its innards into a microbial dining hall, the
newly empowered cockroaches found 2,000 new ways
to make a living. So, no, multicellular beings did
not wipe out their single-celled progenitors. They
gave them a rich new home. And they gavet he
unicellulars breathtaking new abilities. If all
goes well, that will be the relationship of AI and
humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment.</span></div>
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From: Karl Javorszky
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To: 钟义信 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zyx@bupt.edu.cn"><zyx@bupt.edu.cn></a><br>
Cc: fis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>; Pedro
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"><pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es></a><br>
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2021 11:15 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] 回复： New Year in China<br>
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<div>Please resend the 2 papers, as my office
software says it doesn't recognize the file
format used.
<div>Thanks </div>
<div>Karl </div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Dear
Pedro,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Please
accept my warm greetings to you for
the outstanding contributions you made
to IS4SI during the past years and
also for the Chinese new year..</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Here
I would send you two documents of the
Calls, see attachment, as some
progresses made by China Chapter for
the preparations for IS4SI World
Summit-2021. I would be very grateful
if you could help us by distributing
the Calls to FISers.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">My
best regards,</font></div>
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<div><b>主题:</b> [Fis] New Year in
China</div>
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<div> Dear FIS Colleagues,<br
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With the occasion of the Chinese New
Year, let me express our collective
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FISers there. We badly need good
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New Year bring us some sense of hope
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(“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!” Timothy Leary),</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,
helvetica">The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying
book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.” David
Swindle, PJ Media), and</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,
helvetica">Einstein, Michael Jackson & Me: a
Search for Soul in the Power Pits of Rock &
Roll ("Amazing. The writing is revelatory." Freddy
DeMann, manager of Michael Jackson and Madonna),
Best Book of 2020, New York Weekly Times.</span></div>
<div id="yqtfd51950" class="yqt0943388977"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,
helvetica">A Quartz Magazine Pro</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,
helvetica">Former Visiting Scholar, Graduate
Psychology Department, New York University, Former
Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute;
Current Kepler Space Institute Senior Scholar.</span></div>
<div id="yqtfd51950" class="yqt0943388977"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,
helvetica">Founder: International Paleopsychology
Project. Founder, Space Development Steering
Committee. Member Of Board Of Governors, National
Space Society. Founding Board Member: Epic of
Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The
Darwin Project.</span></div>
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