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<td>Communications theory? Re: [Fis] Session closing</td>
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<td>Jerry LR Chandler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com"><jerry_lr_chandler@icloud.com></a></td>
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List, Arieh, Howard:
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<div class="">IMO, This discussion of entropy was accompanied by
both gaps and gluts, neither uncommon in such interdisciplinary
occasions. <br class="">
<div class="">
<div><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Arieh Ben-Naim
<<a href="mailto:ariehbennaim@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ariehbennaim@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="">The blunder is neither the concept of
entropy nor the “ theory of entropy” but the way people
misused and misinterpreted entropy.</div>
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<div>This assertion should be underscored and placed in bold
<b class="">CAPS</b>.</div>
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<div>The communications gaps illustrated in this discussion
is the gap between dichotomy and dualism; that is, the
logic of politics (see Plumwood).</div>
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</div>
<div>The concept of entropy, as part of the empirical
sciences, has played a critical role in the taming of the
natural forces and harnessing the flow of work from
machines, freeing human energies for other purposes while
concomitantly amplifying the natural forces efficiently.
How was this achieved? By understanding FIRST the
mathematics of ideal gas laws with respect to volume,
pressure and temperature and then recognizing that
triadic relationships among volume, pressure and
temperature could be used to create motion within machines
and that this motion could be channeled to useful work.
The concept of entropy was introduced to quantify the
inefficiency of the conversion of “energy” into work, that
the ideality of gas laws was NOT perfect, but it was very
practical. Work is harvested to create useful benefits
designed for human purposes. Thus, metaphorically, the
concept of entropy as NOT useful work, is semantically
analogous to other forms of natural wastes, such as feces,
dung, shit, urine, etc. </div>
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<div>Thus, the two scientific terms, roughly speaking, work
(syntropy) and entropy, are dual terms with respect to
useful and useless.</div>
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<div>The mathematics of thermodynamics, as Pedro as pointed
toward and that is taught in every undergraduate physics
and engineering curriculum, necessarily requires a closed
system and other terms that relate the forms of energy.
The quantitative theory of TD requires these other
conceptual terms in order to make empirical calculations.
The glut that I perceive in this discussion is one of the
dichotomy of semantic ignorance. Howard, Stan and others
intentionally ignore the bigger mathematical necessities
and choose to wander into unrelated territories where
other symbolic meanings of these mathematical symbols
occur.</div>
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<div>The gap in this discussion was and is the ignorance of
the role of TD equations in natural material processes
that are not necessarily related to the ideal gas laws.
These equations relate energy changes at constant
temperature and pressure. Such equations are based on the
law of mass action and relate changes of form to heat
production. The equations are electrically- related
equations that change patterns between natural sorts and
kinds. The natural differences drive electromotive forces
toward equilibrium. The five preceding sentences are
expressed in physical terminology and refer to chemical
changes of reactions and of course, biological catalysis.
This gap in understanding of the meaning of a chemical
reaction and the change of identity of material forms
results in a serious omission. The omission is the
critical role of the mathematics of energy transformations
in the maintenance of life, the syntropism of metabolism.
And, of course, the emergence and evolution of life. </div>
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<div>Amazingly, more than five decades have past since I
read C. P. Snow’s, The Two Cultures. While some progress
has been made, the gaps and gluts of misrepresentations,
misunderstandings and misinformations persist. The logic
of the political-scientific forms of “Long live Trumpisms”
appears to be in play.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>Jerry </div>
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<div class="">Dear Howard,
<div class="">Although you said that you agree with me,
I feel I do not agree, neither with your email, nor
with what you wrote on entropy in God Problem.</div>
<div class="">Entropy, is a well defined, well
interpreted and very useful quantity in
thermodynamics.</div>
<div class="">The blunder is neither the concept of
entropy nor the “ theory of entropy” but the way
people misused and misinterpreted entropy.</div>
<div class="">In your book you mention “Entropy’s error”
and that the “notion of entropy is wrong”</div>
<div class="">I certainly do not agree with you on that.</div>
<div class="">I am now working on a book which
tentatively is called “ The Science of God” where I
criticize those who use scientific ideas ( including
entropy and the second law) in connection with God.</div>
<div class="">All the best</div>
<div class="">Arieh</div>
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On Monday, February 1, 2021, Howard Bloom <<a
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Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Arieh,
hi,
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<div class="">i agree completely with your
statement that entropy may be the biggest
blunder in the history of science. it may be
the piltdown man of modern scientific theory.
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<div class="">for more on why the theory of
entropy is radically wrong, see my book The
God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates. </div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:13.3333px"
class="">with warmth and oomph--howard</span><br
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Re: [Fis] Session closing</span></font><br
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<div class="">Dear All,</div>
<div class="">and special thanks to
Pedro.</div>
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<div class="">I do not have any
further comments, beyond what I
already wrote on entropy and life.</div>
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clear="none">
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<div class="">Perhaps I can add one
comment, which is irrelevant to
misuses of entropy for life.</div>
<div class="">It concerns the misuses
of entropy to the entire universe.</div>
<div class="">I believe that entropy
is not definable to the entire
universe, not in the present, not in
the future and not in the past
universe.</div>
<div class="">Yet, there are whole
books discussing the meaningless
“low entropy of the universe, near
the Big Bang”</div>
<div class="">I have discussed this
topic in great details in my recent
book:</div>
<div class="">ENTROPY: The Greatest
Blunder in the History of Science.</div>
<div class=""><br class=""
clear="none">
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<div class="">All the best,</div>
<div class=""> keep yourselves happy
and healthy,</div>
<div class="">Arieh</div>
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We are in the last days of
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It means, unless there is some
closing closing comments by our
Lecturer, <br class=""
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the end of the current New Year
Lecture.<br class=""
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This has been a nice occasion to
share comments on all the abuses
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misconceptions around Entropy of
Life.<br class="" clear="none">
Thanks to Arieh and all the
participants.<br class=""
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Take a lot of care in these
difficult times!!<br class=""
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